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Ward says skill teams don't win Cups...

 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Ward says skill teams don't win Cups... Reply with quote

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/hockey/bruins/view.bg?articleid=1085493&srvc=bruins&position=1

He'd know what he's talking about...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, he has no skill and won a Cup, so yes, he would know what he's talking about.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume Staal and Brind'Amour aren't on his Christmas card list if he believes that headline. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Ward's purposefully forgetting that Edmonton, that year, had Pronger, Peca, Specek and the like. When those guys; with league wide recognized talent, left, Edmonton's fortunes slipped beneath the waves. They played a team game that year, for sure, but thay also had talent.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I'm not saying this to knock the Bruins. The Bruins are a good team, but I don't see the similarities with Edmonton beyond a Pronger/Chara comparison. Edmonton was a speed team, Boston is a tough, character team.

If anything, Ward should compare the Bruins with the Hurricanes team that went to the Final in 2002. They played a team concept and found different ways to beat different teams, never counting themselves out of a game. They used a size advantage and limited scoring sources to make a good run.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ward also guaranteed the NY Rangers a Cup when he signed there.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So when exactly does he say that "Skill teams don't win cups"?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you actually read the article...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

razzmatazz wrote:
When you actually read the article...

No, see, the article I read says that he said:

"Realize there have been a lot of skilled teams that were eliminated in the first round,” Ward said. “In years past, Buffalo was expected to make it, Ottawa was expected to make it year after year.

“It just doesn’t seem to always be that (sort of) team. It’s the team that maybe had great chemistry, balance, momentum. There’s all kinds of factors that go into it.


Earlier, he compares the Bs to the Oilers... Well, actually, the Oilers didn't win the cup that year, either, so "winning the Cup" wasn't the point... I think his point was that teams with skill don't always make it to the finals...

As for skilled teams being eliminated in the first round, hey, eight skilled teams don't make it past the first round... That doesn't mean that teams that advance aren't skilled. I don't think he'd be foolish enough to suggest that a team that boasts Pronger, Niedermeyer, Selanne, Beauchemin, Getzlaf, Pahlsson, Giguere et al is bereft of skill...

For a lawyer, you sure read a lot into what people say...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just catching that now?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the New Cunning Linguist wrote:
razzmatazz wrote:
When you actually read the article...

No, see, the article I read says that he said:

"Realize there have been a lot of skilled teams that were eliminated in the first round,” Ward said. “In years past, Buffalo was expected to make it, Ottawa was expected to make it year after year.

“It just doesn’t seem to always be that (sort of) team. It’s the team that maybe had great chemistry, balance, momentum. There’s all kinds of factors that go into it.


Earlier, he compares the Bs to the Oilers... Well, actually, the Oilers didn't win the cup that year, either, so "winning the Cup" wasn't the point... I think his point was that teams with skill don't always make it to the finals...

As for skilled teams being eliminated in the first round, hey, eight skilled teams don't make it past the first round... That doesn't mean that teams that advance aren't skilled. I don't think he'd be foolish enough to suggest that a team that boasts Pronger, Niedermeyer, Selanne, Beauchemin, Getzlaf, Pahlsson, Giguere et al is bereft of skill...

For a lawyer, you sure read a lot into what people say...


At worst I included a little hyperbole in my remarks. Big deal - your own GM claims you'll "contend" next year. Six of one...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

your own GM claims you'll "contend" next year. Six of one...[/quote]

Well than it's true........................,Obviously Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've gotta up your game Razz - just like the B's.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:
You've gotta up your game Razz - just like the B's.

Yeah, that last one was the OTP equivalent of a "yo mama" joke.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

razzmatazz wrote:
At worst I included a little hyperbole in my remarks.


At least for once you finally ADMIT to it... Laughing
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