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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| The Hockey News predicts Kesler and 10th pick for JOkinen. Thats just their Mock Draft predictions. |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| does anybody think Gillis might trade down(as in 11th-30th pick)? or trade up? |
No |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| The Hockey News predicts Kesler and 10th pick for JOkinen. Thats just their Mock Draft predictions. |
Hope not,Kesler is just starting to show his upside,I peg him as our future Captain. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
I have a tough time believing that Florida would be willing to trade OJ to Vancouver given that they practically gave away Luongo for nothing two years ago. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised if Kesler / BXA were ones going the other way... OJ's -19 worries me a little.  |
This is a popular comment on HFBoards -- "Florida won't trade with Vancouver because Nonis fleeced them." Why does it matter? In addition to the GMs for both teams being different now, even if they weren't, what would it matter to Florida if they'd lost an earlier trade? If Vancouver offered the best package, why wouldn't they take it?
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| oh I just reminded myself of another overrated guy after reading a story on a guy always linked to Vancouver but totally dethrones Jeff Carter in my books for the overrated one..Ryan Malone. What is the big hub bub about this guy? 4-5M? talk about Anson Carter syndrome. uh no thanks. The guy could barely shine Clark Gillies jock cup. |
See my post in the Columbus forum -- if the rumors are to be believed, Malone has expressed interest in playing for the Canucks.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by the New Cunning Linguist
I have a tough time believing that Florida would be willing to trade OJ to Vancouver given that they practically gave away Luongo for nothing two years ago. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised if Kesler / BXA were ones going the other way... OJ's -19 worries me a little. Mad
This is a popular comment on HFBoards -- "Florida won't trade with Vancouver because Nonis fleeced them." Why does it matter? In addition to the GMs for both teams being different now, even if they weren't, what would it matter to Florida if they'd lost an earlier trade? If Vancouver offered the best package, why wouldn't they take it? |
two reasons why I dont believe its true.
A) the two GMs who made the deal arent even with the teams so what difference does it make to Martin and Gillis? Its no different than Gillis refusing to trade with Boston caz Sinden ripped off Jack Gordon 22 years ago.
B) if it was true , Martin self admits he's a moron. Me dumb , me dont like Vancouver , Vancouver take advantage of not being smart. Me dont trust you no more.
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I wonder if Malone is thinking he wants to cash in on the Sedin train and be their free loading trigger man. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Gillis just said he doesnt plan of moving up the draft nor is he "shopping" the Sedins.
Well , he could be sincere but also could be using that " Im not lying , I never shopped the Sedins , but I am listening to offers" mentality. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| How about the Sedins for Malkin? Would you do it? |
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Oz
Kangaroos and Didgeridoos
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| not after watching him in the finals this year |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| How about the Sedins for Malkin? Would you do it? |
Yes,As long as we could sign him for 8 mil or less.It aint going to happen though  |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| Oz wrote: |
| not after watching him in the finals this year |
It was his second playoffs ever and he played fine until that point. Let's be realistic -- most of us would take that deal in a heartbeat (which is among the reasons it would never be offered). 
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
two reasons why I dont believe its true.
A) the two GMs who made the deal arent even with the teams so what difference does it make to Martin and Gillis? Its no different than Gillis refusing to trade with Boston caz Sinden ripped off Jack Gordon 22 years ago. |
Has Vancouver made a significant trade with Boston since then? I'm sure they've been reading razz's scouting reports on the Nucks and therefore don't see any value in anyone not named Luongo...  I agree the management is different but the media would gladly rip the ownership a new one if they got fleeced again... And what happened to the management that traded Luongo? They got fired, despite the fact that the ownership gladly signed off on that trade... Martin's lesson from that is, "Don't make the same mistake (trading great assets to Vancouver); a GM is only one bad trade away from 'former GM' status." Put yourself in his shoes: If he can get the same or similar return by trading with Minnesota or Calgary and at the same time, make it tougher on Vancouver, why wouldn't he? Can you imagine a line of Langkow, Iggy, and OJ? Or Ralston and Gaborik with Iggy down the middle? If GMMG tabled the best offer, then Martin has to factor in the risk of perceived fleecing™ and thus, Vancouver would have to really overpay to acquire OJ.
If a trade with FL happened, I wouldn't necessarily object; I would just be surprised to see it happen.
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B) if it was true , Martin self admits he's a moron. Me dumb , me dont like Vancouver , Vancouver take advantage of not being smart. Me dont trust you no more.
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He doesn't have to admit it, he just doesn't have to make the same (perceived) mistake twice. THAT would be the mark of a moron... - and it's not that trading OJ would necessarily be a bad one now for FL; it's the perception that a trade would benefit the other team more - especially if that trade partner was Vancouver - that he has to worry about. Besides, it's widely held that the Luongo trade was quite probably the most lopsided trade in recent years... It'll be years before they live that down and they still haven't found a decent replacement for Luongo.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Sedins for sale - or not... Not surprising given that they do NOT have NTCs and are UFAs next summer.
That said, I am more than a little apprehensive about this draft if the Nucks pick Beach, in some ways due to his apparent propensity for Bertuzzi-like unpredictability, but more to Vancouver's penchant for uncovering first round draft busts...
EDIT: Not surprisingly, BXA is also available...
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Has Vancouver made a significant trade with Boston since then? |
I don't think so, but if you think that has anything to do with a trade from the Reagan years, you have to be kidding. The more likely explanation is that Vancouver, like all teams, hasn't made that many blockbusters with anyone, so the chances of Boston coming up are as slim as anyone.
(For what it's worth, the last trade with Boston I remember is Petri Skriko in 1990-91, but it's possible there's been another since. That trade yielded the pick for Mike Peca, for trivia buffs).
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| I agree the management is different but the media would gladly rip the ownership a new one if they got fleeced again... |
You know this is Florida, right? In relative terms, I don't think the media has a ton of sway in the Panthers' decision-making.
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| And what happened to the management that traded Luongo? They got fired, despite the fact that the ownership gladly signed off on that trade... Martin's lesson from that is, "Don't make the same mistake (trading great assets to Vancouver); a GM is only one bad trade away from 'former GM' status." |
Martin's lesson is the same one that all GMs have: don't make a bad trade. Unless it's with a team that you play against frequently, the other end of that deal really, really doesn't matter. There is no rational connection. It is no worse if it is Vancouver ripping them off than if it is Dallas. It simply matters not to Florida.
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| Put yourself in his shoes: If he can get the same or similar return by trading with Minnesota or Calgary and at the same time, make it tougher on Vancouver, why wouldn't he? |
If revenge for a deal made voluntarily some years ago (particularly by two people no longer involved in either organization) is on Martin's mind when making a deal, he should be fired for not doing his job. I don't believe for a second this would enter into the calculus. He will get the best deal for his team, period. And no teams will ever be offering identical packages, either.
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| He doesn't have to admit it, he just doesn't have to make the same (perceived) mistake twice. |
Again, the same mistake would be getting fleeced. It doesn't matter how it happens.
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| it's the perception that a trade would benefit the other team more - especially if that trade partner was Vancouver - that he has to worry about. |
I also don't believe Florida fans care about the Vancouver Canucks. They would care about a divisional rival getting better. I doubt it's of much concern to them what the team geographically farthest from them is up to. Only what happens to their team.
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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holy cripes! is Petri Skriko the only trade since Neely? bad example to use on my part! lol you think we would know with Razz here butting heads with us. So many players from both teams have played for the other over the years you would assume in 20 years more than 1 trade would've been made... of significance that is ..not including smaller deals like the fleecing of the Blues to get Zach Fitzgerald.
There would be some moral substance to this if we were the Evil Empire, winning 10 Cups and stealing all the resources , the most hated team.... but we are the ewoks of the NHL. We have nothing. Who the hell is picking a feud with a team missing the playoffs 2/3 seasons |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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If Gillis was wanting to deal the Sedins , he didnt do a good job in advertising when he questioned their front line abilities so maybe he's just building them up again. Caz he said he would like to work out a long term deal too.... I dont see how 5+M players work on the second line. Its no different than Brad Richards in Tbay. You take the Sedins off the no.1PP , thats their bread and butter....
I still say by tonight the Sedins are traded. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| holy cripes! is Petri Skriko the only trade since Neely? |
No, that was just the last I could remember offhand. Thinking a bit more about it, there was also Jiri Slegr to the Bruins for futures in 2004. I'm sure there are a few more in there. But no team has made that many significant trades with any other when it all comes down to it.
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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there's a strong vibe that Gillis will indeed go Beach if he's still there. His stock seems to be on the rise again.
Zach Boychuk is catching my attention again.
Sbisa is weird caz he's ranked top 15 in some rankings and some have him going mid to mid 20s. So maybe he's not ranked that high after all. |
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Jason Botchford was saying there's word Gillis is trying to move up to snatch Boedker. Apparently this is the guy Gillis has a hard on for. According to Botchford whom is givnig the general vibe from the draft..... |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| aside from the Slegr deal there has been absolutely nothing in the last 10-15 years... |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Price and Tomlinson both suggested CBJ is a team that mght be most willing to wheel and deal their pick in the top 10 (6th overall). But aside from the Sedins , we dont have a centre for Nash unless they really have a hard on for Kesler. |
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