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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| If Aquilini does have a guy in mind, and he's with a playoff team |
I don't think that's possible with the NHLs tampering laws is it?I don't think he can talk with anyone who is in the playoffs without risking heavy fines,so I would rule that out. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1244
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Tuzer wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| If Aquilini does have a guy in mind, and he's with a playoff team |
I don't think that's possible with the NHLs tampering laws is it?I don't think he can talk with anyone who is in the playoffs without risking heavy fines,so I would rule that out. |
Not if that employee has the blessing of his employer to talk to Vancouver...
Unless Aquilini trots out Scotty Bowman tomorrow, this is just crazy...
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Tuzer wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| If Aquilini does have a guy in mind, and he's with a playoff team |
I don't think that's possible with the NHLs tampering laws is it?I don't think he can talk with anyone who is in the playoffs without risking heavy fines,so I would rule that out. |
Not if that employee has the blessing of his employer to talk to Vancouver...
Unless Aquilini trots out Scotty Bowman tomorrow, this is just crazy... |
First of all I can't see anyone allowing that during the playoffs and on the Bowman thing,I'm just gonna dream about that for awhile before that bubble bursts  |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 151
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| i would jizz my pants! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 793
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| early speculation from the media is that Aquilini already has somebody ready to go. Thats just speculation ... keeping in mind none of these media guys had the actual firing scoop! lol |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 151
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| yah, i find it hard to believe that anyone knows whats actually going on! |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1289
Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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It's tough for Nonis to trade for help when Burke left him with sweet fuck all in the way of legitimate prospects. Tampa obviously preferred Mike Smith to Corey Schnieder, and I guess no one else wanted the latter. Luc Bourdon was still considered a 1-2 D man for Nonis; time will tell if that was accurate or not. But while Nonis traded a ton of picks for marginal help 2 years ago, this is really Burke's mess. The "prospects" that came up contributed little or nothing, and the optics of the team are that Nonis is letting it flail away in mediocrity. Totally unfair in that Nonis was hamstrung with a ton of wasted cap space (hello Markus Naslund, Brendan Morrison, Sami Salo), but i guess Aquilini knows better.
I hear JFJ's available...
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1393
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Iain MacIntyre wrote: |
| From National Hockey League team to banana republic, the Vancouver Canucks fired general manager Dave Nonis today, one season after he orchestrated a record season for the National Hockey League franchise. |
Hey, I used the "banana republic" analogy on HFBoards last night, suggesting that whether or not Aquilini had a plan, he had created an air of instability and hurt the team's credit rating, so to speak. I wonder if MacIntyre saw my posting...
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saskhab
Morally Bankrupt Scum
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2515
Location: Saskatoon!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: |
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I wrote this on James Mirtle's blog about the firing, where he said it was the "right move":
"There have been no prospects".
Gee, in 4 years. I wonder whose fault that is? Certainly not the defending Stanley Cup champion GM's fault... nah, couldn't be. He left the team ripe with Jason Kings and Alex Aulds!
Nonis was left with a team core that lost a prime year, an albatross in Bertuzzi, no goaltending to speak of, and a captain who, earlier than expected went on a decline.
He lost a ridiculous amount of man-games on his blueline, never having his intended starting six start a single game.
He had no prospects beyond Ryan Kesler, who was a stretch at his draft spot in that 2003 draft class anyways.
He inherited a terrible coach. That's right, I called Crawford terrible.
And he had to deal with a salary cap.
It's because he isn't a boorish oaf that he got fired this early, and yes, because the product wasn't entertaining.
And honestly... how can firing a guy be considered "the right move" until there's a replacement made anyways?
What the hell is happening here in the Canadian markets already? Geez, these kind of moves are the makings of Ronald Corey's Habs. Honestly, with the Sens, the Leafs, and now the Canucks... can't wait to see what kind of lunacy Katz brings to the Oilers.
Compared to this, Calgary hiring Keenan was about as level-headed and logical of a decision that has been made since the Penguins hired Bowman to succeed Johnson.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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Heh, well said, Sask. My own anonymous posting is this one:
I'm a big fan of your blog, James, but feel you've missed the mark on this one. I agree that the Canucks have been traditionally over-conservative (and this goes back to Pat Quinn). But I think Nonis performed quite admirably with a heretofore unknown cap constraint. The moves he made were almost all universally applauded up until this season, whether re-signing Näslund, trading for Luongo, signing Mitchell, or the slew of trades at the 2006 deadline.
To say "It's been year after year of a defensive club producing mediocre results," when the club has only been such for two seasons -- one of which was tops in team history -- is pretty strange.
There are a lot of fans up in arms over a Hugo Chavez (i.e. credibility-killing) move on Aquilini's part.
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saskhab
Morally Bankrupt Scum
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Location: Saskatoon!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I thought that was you. 
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saskhab
Morally Bankrupt Scum
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking that Dave Nonis' biography will be titled "Nice Guys Finish Last".
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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How about Chris Zimmerman's role in this. He's the CEO and president , if Zimmerman was a Nonis guy I would think the process would be in debate much longer and the firing would come much later but this seemed to be an easy decision for Canucks HOckey and Im assuming Zimmerman OK'ed this with flying colours.
Zimmerman was the marketing guy with Nike meaning he's all about flash and dash and he watched a team boring the hell out of everybody. Maybe Zimmerman pushed this firing much like McCaw's old henchmen did on Quinn and Burke. |
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Location: Rollin down the street
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know who Nonis blew to get that kind of support from media, hockey analysts & some Canuck fans but based on his track record it's undeserved.
You can point at Burke & cap space & injuries & claim he deserves another chance but at some point you have to realize as Burke's protege
he was on board with the moves BB made & as the contract negotiator he helped tie his own hands.That just leaves injuries & I'll remind you that with 4 home games to go the playoffs were there to be reached & injuries did not prevent them from making it.
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Mark my words Nonis is a mediocre GM-
I called for his head 07/08
fired apr 14th/08
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Location: Rollin down the street
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Heh, well said, Sask. My own anonymous posting is this one:
I'm a big fan of your blog, James, but feel you've missed the mark on this one. I agree that the Canucks have been traditionally over-conservative (and this goes back to Pat Quinn). But I think Nonis performed quite admirably with a heretofore unknown cap constraint. The moves he made were almost all universally applauded up until this season, whether re-signing Näslund, trading for Luongo, signing Mitchell, or the slew of trades at the 2006 deadline.
To say "It's been year after year of a defensive club producing mediocre results," when the club has only been such for two seasons -- one of which was tops in team history -- is pretty strange.
There are a lot of fans up in arms over a Hugo Chavez (i.e. credibility-killing) move on Aquilini's part. |
How can there be a credibility issue when the replacement hasn't been named?
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Mark my words Nonis is a mediocre GM-
I called for his head 07/08
fired apr 14th/08
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| freakydave wrote: |
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To say "It's been year after year of a defensive club producing mediocre results," when the club has only been such for two seasons -- one of which was tops in team history -- is pretty strange.
There are a lot of fans up in arms over a Hugo Chavez (i.e. credibility-killing) move on Aquilini's part. |
How can there be a credibility issue when the replacement hasn't been named? |
Since this marks the second time in four years (with one of those being a lockout year) that a major change has been made at the GM level... Sure McCaw was the majority owner at the time when BB was fired, but look at how this appears to UFAs around the league... This team goes from a run-and-gun attack that features Jovanovski, Bertuzzi, Naslund, BMo at al, then is built around Luongo, a decent (but fragile) d, and the Sedins, and now?
Well, it's Aquiliini's team to do whatever he wants with it... I'm sure he'll have who he feels is a great candidate... Short of Ken Holland or Scotty Bowman, I will respectfully disagree. Even BB would be a mistake to bring back - on this, I agree with razz, that BB left this team's "prospect cupboard bare". But whoever Aquilini names will have some things DN didn't have when he took on the job: $15M+ in cap space, good prospects in Bourdon, Schneider, Raymond and others, a Top 10 pick in July, an all-World goalie in Luongo, a solid defence under contract, some of whom could be valuable trading commodities (if they were to waive their NTCs), and a loyal, profitable fanbase. Well maybe that last one was always there...
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 793
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| presser begins soon! hold on tight for a day of reading between the lines and word for word break downs! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 793
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Aquilini was horrible as a spokesman. He was shaky , unconfident , unclear, ridiculously repetitive , ..
Zimmerman didnt say anythign , he should've been the spokes person.
I do not feel confident this team is in good hands after hearing that monstrosity.
He must have referenced the term "Leadership" 20 times and he would answer questions irrelevant to leadership with leadership! lol Im not even joking.
Bottomline is I am very worried I will never see a Stanley Cup in Vancouver in my lifetime.
Tamby is interim GM but he's not getting the job.. they're beginning the search now apparently so there was no plan in place.
... god.. why!?!? WHY!??!!? in the words of McBain: MENDOZAAAAA!!!!!!! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 793
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| To give an example of his incoherent answers , somebody asked him , seeing that Vancouver has fired 2 GMs in the last 5 years , what would make this attractive spot for any GM to feel secure? ... and he went on about how the fans deserve a winner and a Cup and missing the playoffs is unacceptable and how the leadership has to change... Im not even exagerating in fact I probably understated the magnitude of the lunacy. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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oh god when somebody asked of some of the requirements he's looking for in the next GM... "he has to have some exp in hockey"
and some wise ass adds .." NHL exp?" lol it was pretty funny
like seriously , I hope and pray to the hockey gods that he had stage fright or is not good at public speaking. |
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