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Av-merican
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 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: What now? |
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Strachan has all but put the final nail in Ron Wilson's coffin:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/8107286/Sharks'-exit-probably-the-end-for-Wilson-in-San-Jose
Top priority for Doug Wilson (if he retains his job, which he should) is to get Brian Campbell re-signed before July.
Hard to say exactly what this team needs. A reliable postseason performer would be obvious, but like it or not this team is married to Joe Thornton for the foreseeable future. The team is plenty deep on offense (at least on paper) but still doesn't seem to have the right mix on defense. I'd be looking for a taker (i.e., sucker) for Matt Carle's contract. It's money better spent on someone else. And yeah, I, the ultimate Matt Carle apologist, just said that. I hope Colorado doesn't bite.
Departing the team will likely be Curtis Brown, Patrick Rissmiller, and Sandis Ozolinsh. Roenick will retire (or at least he should). I just don't see DW extending an offer to any of them. Ryane Clowe will be in for a big raise since he was basically the only Shark to show up in the playoffs.
Something tells me that sooner rather than later DW just needs to go for broke, use the vast organizational depth at his disposal to broker some major deals, and get this team to a Stanley Cup final. Sure, they may have to tear it all down the year after (re: Anaheim), but at present this team is plenty talented, but still not looking like it could be a SC champion.
But you gotta have the right guy in charge. Laviolette? Tortorella? Quenneville? This is assuming any find themselves seeking employment elsewhere this summer. I'm betting at least one of them will. The former two seem too similar to Wilson in attitude and style...Quenneville might be the exact fit the current Sharks roster needs though. Hey, he might even bring his new buddy Tony Granato along...you never know. |
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Pat Burns or Scotty Bowman.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: What now? |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
Something tells me that sooner rather than later DW just needs to go for broke, use the vast organizational depth at his disposal to broker some major deals, and get this team to a Stanley Cup final. Sure, they may have to tear it all down the year after (re: Anaheim), but at present this team is plenty talented, but still not looking like it could be a SC champion. |
Anaheim didn't go for broke last year. They acquired Brad May and a depth defenseman, I think. They weren't really required to tear it all down either, with the exception of dealing MacDonald for dead weight to clear cap space.
San Jose has brokered some big deals at the deadline. Last year they spent assets on Rivet and Guerin. This year, they got the one of the top-2 names in Campbell. What else should they have done? Sold the farm for Hossa? Brad Richards?
I don't know what it is about this team...
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Bosc Ulrich II
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Pat Burns was the first name that popped into my head as well. Burns is a very demanding guy. I wonder how much Strachan is exaggerating Wilson's style...
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E.L.3000
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Pat Quinn.
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hammer
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I'd say the best playoff performers were Clowe, Pavelski, Cheechoo (grit more than scoring) and Roenick. Pavelski had a breakout performance, hopefully the new coach uses him better than RW. Roenick got timely points and was banging bodies - I'd like him to come back.
IMO Campbell was mixed - definitely added a lot to the team offensively but also more than his share of defensive lapses. I'd like to see him back but if he walks no big tragedy.
They need more toughness on D - it was sad to see Morrow abusing Vlasic. Carle is also soft and Erhoff is better but doesn't scare anybody. Rivet is solid but was better in last year's playoffs than this year. A healthy Mclaren would help but they need more - shoulda grabbed Andy Sutton last summer. Adding a tough snarly d-man would be great.
Another bruising forward would be great as after Clowe they really have nobody good. Besides him Cheechoo and Roenick were probably the most physical forwards in these playoffs for the Sharks and that is sad.
Setoguchi showed some promise that he might be ready for prime time next year but was really inconsistent.
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Jyrki21
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: What now? |
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| dealing MacDonald for dead weight |
Was this an Av-pun?
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Av-merican
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: What now? |
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
Anaheim didn't go for broke last year. They acquired Brad May and a depth defenseman, I think. They weren't really required to tear it all down either, with the exception of dealing MacDonald for dead weight to clear cap space.
San Jose has brokered some big deals at the deadline. Last year they spent assets on Rivet and Guerin. This year, they got the one of the top-2 names in Campbell. What else should they have done? Sold the farm for Hossa? Brad Richards?
I don't know what it is about this team... |
Well, Burke didn't exactly pull a Neil Smith/Don Waddell but when he stepped in he put his faith in just a handful of stars and is now paying the consequences of such moves (that Bertuzzi deal certainly didn't help). He's obviously not a GM who values depth a whole lot.
And I'm not saying DW needs to do the same, but they really need to change the overall makeup of this club. Something just isn't working. I think in order to take that necessary next step Marleau needs to be flipped for a valuable return. |
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: What now? |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| dealing MacDonald for dead weight |
Was this an Av-pun? |
Not really, as sad as it is for Weight 
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Bosc Ulrich II
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Hammer how did Grier play?
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| Hammer how did Grier play? |
He was good last night but overall not great. He was waaaaaay better in last year's playoffs IMO. Last year to me he really stood out as gritty and clutch and a leader, this year not so much.
I think the third and fourth lines have to add some big meaner guys to compliment Mitchell and Grier (and I don't mean Jody Shelley!). Rissmiller is huge but is never out there crushing people, I don't know why not.
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hammer
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After consulting the free agent wish list thread this is my list for the Sharks (no salary cap realities taken into account, although my sense is the Sharks have decent space):
RFA offer sheets: Corey Perry, Carcillo and Aaron Voros
I know the offer sheets are unlikely to happen but hey it's a wish list!
UFA : Commodore and Jason Smith on D, Aaron Asham for F.
Nobody great but these guys would toughen the team up considerably and wouldn't cost too much.
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saskhab
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The two D would also slow the Sharks down considerably.
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| The two D would also slow the Sharks down considerably. |
Agreed, but it made me sick to watch Morrow cruise around like King Kong smashing people and banging away in the crease with nobody making him answer for it. When Erhoff is one of your tougher D it is time to sacrifice speed for some physicality, unless there are some really fast and tough guys available out there that I don't know about (which is quite possible).
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Bosc Ulrich II
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Well, here's one guy who doesn't think Ron Wilson should get canned
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"I'm very proud of how this group played when they had their backs up against the wall," he said. "The disappointment is I think this team is capable of more, and I do believe that in the 13 playoff games we played .. we didn't play enough good games. We accomplished something, but the disappointment of where we should be still resonates."
Ron Wilson, captain Patrick Marleau and star Joe Thornton were unanimous in their public belief the Sharks were good enough to win a championship this season, if they had received just a few of the lucky bounces that didn't go their way in a six-game loss to the Dallas Stars.
"We're so much farther ahead now than we were at the beginning of the season," Ron Wilson said. "We should be rejoicing in how solid our team is. .. We were so close to forcing a Game 7, and we didn't, but you walk out of here with your heads held high."
After 4 1/2 seasons with the Sharks, Wilson has no interest in even talking about his job security.
"That's all irrelevant. You look at my record, it's second to none, literally, in the sport, so I'm not even worried about that," said Wilson, whose Sharks lead the NHL in total victories over the last four seasons.
"I don't think there has to be too many things changed about our team," he added. "We're ready to roll next year, too. We've accomplished more since I've been here than any other team in the league except win the Stanley Cup. That's the next thing we check off on our list. .. I know a lot of teams - well, 25 other teams - probably wish they were in our shoes." |
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| "That's all irrelevant. You look at my record, it's second to none, literally, in the sport, so I'm not even worried about that," said Wilson, whose Sharks lead the NHL in total victories over the last four seasons. |
What an arbitrary measure.
Detroit definitely has more wins in that 4 year span he's talking about, they just switched coaches.
And Dave Tippett leads all active coaches in career winning %, not Ron Wilson.
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Ron Wilson, captain Patrick Marleau and star Joe Thornton were unanimous in their public belief the Sharks were good enough to win a championship this season, if they had received just a few of the lucky bounces that didn't go their way in a six-game loss to the Dallas Stars.
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Whining about bounces now? F you losers. Bounces don't win playoff series. No wonder they choke every year.
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Jyrki21
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| Whining about bounces now? F you losers. Bounces don't win playoff series. No wonder they choke every year. |
I disagree -- in a capped era, playoff teams are separated by very little. The importance of luck and bounces are magnified, if anything.
If a series goes to, say, 7th game OT, it's perfectly reasonable to conclude that the winner was no better than the loser. In fact, I'd say that it's overwhelmingly likely that luck and bounces would be the only difference there.
It wasn't quite as extreme in the Sharks' case, but a 7-game (max) sample is hardly an eternity, and 3 of the Star wins were in overtime. A team getting hot/cold within the playoffs should be looked upon as what it is: a team getting hot/cold at the right/wrong time.
And in the same vein, because only one team wins the Cup, it is inevitable that certain teams appear to "choke every year." It's true that the Sharks haven't been able to get over the hump, but this is true of the vast majority of teams. The Sharks shouldn't be penalized because they happened to be better than most of those and therefore got fans' hopes up.
Pretty much every fan base accuses their team of being chokers or not having leadership, etc., incorrectly. Most aren't even in a position to choke within the meaning of that term (San Jose admittedly was this year), but it's not really mathematically possible for, like, 97% of the league to be underachieving or disappointing. Good teams have to get eliminated, and good teams have to get eliminated in multiple years.
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Fair enough and I agree with a lot of what you are saying but IMO bounces can certainly win one game, but not a 7 game series. These guys and JR were whining about bounces after game 3. Stars could just as easily say that if they got more bounces they could have swept. In this series, especially at the end, it was really obvious that Morrow stepped up big time and vastly outplayed everyone on the Sharks. Why can't that guy ever be Marleau or Joe? They should be capable of taking over a series but never do. At points in the Calgary series Joe looked like he might do it, but IMO he was pretty disappointing vs. Dallas. Marleau was ok but nothing special. Chokers!!! Really though I think you make a good point that only one team can win so that doesn't make everyone else chokers, but these guys never seem to really rise to the occasion. So IMO they have no business whining about bounces - the Stars best players outplayed the Sharks best players.
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| hammer wrote: |
| Fair enough and I agree with a lot of what you are saying but IMO bounces can certainly win one game, but not a 7 game series. |
If I may be clever but also dead serious -- if it's made it to Game 7, then it is only one game.
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| These guys and JR were whining about bounces after game 3. Stars could just as easily say that if they got more bounces they could have swept. |
Yep, also true... which just goes to show that a 4-7 game series really isn't a very big sample size.
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