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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
Precisely what a lot of us must have wondered about:
| Jason Botchford wrote: |
Sobbing uncontrollably just hours after losing her son, Luc Bourdon, in a tragic motorcycle accident, Suzanne Boucher said she had tried desperately to stop him from buying a bike.
Her plea worked last year when her fears changed his mind. That's when Bourdon, the promising Canucks defenceman, first told his mom he dreamed of riding, and was spellbound by the "power and beauty" of motorcycles.
"I was scared when he told me that," Boucher said yesterday through tears from her home in Shippagan, N.B. "I disagreed with it so much. I said, 'You can't do it.' It was too risky, too dangerous. His girlfriend helped me reason with him. But this year was different. This year he wasn't going to listen.
"He said, 'Mom, I can die in a plane, I can die in a car, I can die walking out onto the street. I don't want to live in fear. I want to enjoy life to the fullest. Don't worry, Mom, I'll be safe. I won't be crazy.'" |
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A mother always knows,She must have known something wasn't right,I am absolutely devastated by this news,It's almost like losing a family member,How awfully awfully sad  |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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I saw the news coverage , they showed the accident scene... very surreal to see his bike in pieces. On a country road , head on with a mack truck.. they kept said tractor trailer in the initial reports yesterday, I kept invisioning a farm tractor didnt think of the truck.
My favourite memory of the kid was him playing the leg guitar in the rookie dance off with Edler. That showed his true character and personality.
On ice , imo he just starting to find his place in the NHL as a regular with room to grow into a core player. He had the size , speed , skill , heart.. one of those kids that had the total package,
I cant help but think what I was doing at 21 and how much I have experienced since.. saddens me that a kid like Luc will miss it. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
I saw the news coverage , they showed the accident scene... very surreal to see his bike in pieces. On a country road , head on with a mack truck.. they kept said tractor trailer in the initial reports yesterday, I kept invisioning a farm tractor didnt think of the truck.
My favourite memory of the kid was him playing the leg guitar in the rookie dance off with Edler. That showed his true character and personality. |
I was really looking forward to seeing him step up into the #6 spot and work his way up the depth chart. And that dance off was awesome - you could really see that this kid was no wallflower and probably could help lead the young guys...
| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| On ice , imo he just starting to find his place in the NHL as a regular with room to grow into a core player. He had the size , speed , skill , heart.. one of those kids that had the total package, |
So young, so tragic... I've no doubt that he would have been a very good defenceman and the face of the next core of Canucks... Great shot, good skater, just starting to learn the pro game, had his whole future in his hands - but even the best young athletes make mistakes.
| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| I cant help but think what I was doing at 21 and how much I have experienced since.. saddens me that a kid like Luc will miss it. |
Sometimes I wonder if I'm just lucky I survived those years.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 2018
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Something I brought up in the mods' forum, if people are interested here, is an OTP sympathy card to his family -- I have their address.
Would people be interested in scanning messages that I could put into a card? (It's very easy for me to get a French one here, too).
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Is this an E-Card or real card? |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| Is this an E-Card or real card? |
Real card. (And/or donation or flowers or whatever we might care to add).
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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talk about almost being the absolute most horrific , nightmarish weekend for a family...
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hW71uYeDmf6IYsIPbusBeaBdsRRw
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In an odd twist, police later confirmed that Bourdon's cousin was injured in a motorcyle accident Friday. RCMP Const. Guy Marquis said the cousin, who was not named, was taken to hospital but did not appear to have serious injuries.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Luc made a good point - fuck living in fear, I'm on my way up, I wanna enjoy my youth with whatever toys I can afford... no evidence or reason to think he was anything other than responsible with the bike, just a tragic accident with unfortunate circumstances combining to get him. He only lived 21 years, but he died doing one of the things he enjoyed most - there are a lot worse ways to go... still sucks megaballs, but he's right, I could die any number of ways, if I want to assume some risk to have a great time, why not? |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Luc made a good point - fuck living in fear, I'm on my way up, I wanna enjoy my youth with whatever toys I can afford... no evidence or reason to think he was anything other than responsible with the bike, just a tragic accident with unfortunate circumstances combining to get him. He only lived 21 years, but he died doing one of the things he enjoyed most - there are a lot worse ways to go... still sucks megaballs, but he's right, I could die any number of ways, if I want to assume some risk to have a great time, why not? |
Because as any parent will tell you, you never, EVER want to outlive or bury your children. That's just not something I EVER want to experience.
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HOLLYWOOD35
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
Posts: 103
Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| I lost a friend last year to a motorcycle accident. He had the bike for a day or 2 and was around the same age. He ended up losing control and hit a median. Peoples inexperience are putting family and friends through this everyday. It's not worth it to me. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Luc made a good point - fuck living in fear, I'm on my way up, I wanna enjoy my youth with whatever toys I can afford... no evidence or reason to think he was anything other than responsible with the bike, just a tragic accident with unfortunate circumstances combining to get him. He only lived 21 years, but he died doing one of the things he enjoyed most - there are a lot worse ways to go... still sucks megaballs, but he's right, I could die any number of ways, if I want to assume some risk to have a great time, why not? |
Because as any parent will tell you, you never, EVER want to outlive or bury your children. That's just not something I EVER want to experience. |
If I ever have a kid, I'm not putting him in a fucking straitjacket. I'll raise him right, warn him about the possible dangers, but if he's hellbent on buying a harley and riding around town... then he's gonna buy a harley and I'm gonna be happy for him that he's worked his ass off enough that he can afford one, and that he's enjoying life.
I realize I'm NOT a parent, so please forgive me if this is just my ignorance, but don't you think it's a bit selfish of the parent to say "gee, I don't want to bury my kid, so son I'm forbiding you from taking any chances"...? |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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There is far more to being a parent than simply saying, "I love you, and trust you enough to go and do whatever you want because it makes you happy." Children need to know their boundaries and it's been my experience that kids who don't get this established early (because parents either don't believe that there should be boundaries, don't know how to, or can't) have the most difficulty adjusting to school (authority figures, structure, and relationships) and so on... There's an entire body of literature called 'Parenting Styles' that discusses this.
As they get older, parents need to gradually allow their children more room to explore their world, and that means giving them more independence, until finally they can become fully functioning adults. But parenting doesn't end there. It simply evolves into more of a mentoring relationship.
The law says that a person is an "adult" at 18 and can make decisions like pose for a nudie magazine or vote in an election. Physically, our reaction times, psychomotor abilities, and so on at 17 or 18 are pretty much the same as a 25 year old's... In the US, a person cannot buy alcohol until they are 21... But there is a growing body of scientific literature that suggests that our minds (the pre-frontal lobes, I believe) do not really "mature" fully until about 25. Decision-making, impulse control, and emotionality don't completely mature until about 25 - did you ever try to rent a car or buy insurance before you were 25? You can't because actuarial statistics show that people under 25 are at a much elevated risk of a crash.... Between 25 and about 55, your risk of a crash is at its lowest. Rental car and insurance companies have known this for years.
In this circumstance, Bourdon at 21 is an adult by current definitions; but that doesn't mean that he was mature enough to completely appreciate the level of risk he was accepting. His mother knew this and voiced her opinion - as a parent in this situation, that is perhaps all you can do. It doesn't change the fact that this is still a tragic loss. Personally, I think it's more selfish to withhold your experience, knowledge, and perspectives from a young person who may be embarking on a risky venture. I would chime in if my son were to tell me that he was going to join the circus' high-wire act, go sky-diving, or invest his life's savings in a business venture that had a limited future. I don't think it's selfish of any parent to tell his or her children what risks they are taking on. IMO, this is well within the purview of parenting - it's not done out of selfishness... It's done because it's part of mentoring a young person and preparing them for adulthood. That's what parents do.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| I realize I'm NOT a parent, so please forgive me if this is just my ignorance, but don't you think it's a bit selfish of the parent to say "gee, I don't want to bury my kid, so son I'm forbiding you from taking any chances"...? |
When he is 21, I don't think a parent is in a position to forbid anything...
I agree that so far, we have no evidence to indicate anyone was doing anything irresponsible, but let's look at this for a moment...
He was riding a bike after having - what - one maybe two weeks of training?
He'd bought the bike two days before...
He collided with a tractor-trailer - that's a big, commercial truck hauling a trailer - head on. That means that one or the other or both crossed the center line into oncoming traffic. It was the middle of the day - weather was not a concern. Given that no charges have been laid on the truck driver, I can only assume that he did nothing wrong and stayed on his side of the road which suggests that Bourdon crossed the center line.
My guess? Bourdon drove his bike far too fast for conditions, his lack of experience, and his ability to control it; he took a curve too fast and ended up on the wrong side of the road at the wrong time.
There are no accidents... This was no act of God or Fate. He made a critical mistake (probably more than one) and now he's paid for it with his life and his family will spend their days grieving for this tragic loss of life.
Was his mother selfish for trying to talk him out of this? Not in my opinion.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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I heard wind gusts of 50 kph in the area, I'm guessing that would be more than enough to fuck him if the situation was right...
The thing is, I have every confidence his parents DID bring him up properly. At some point though, if, after all those warnings, he says damnit I wanna ride a bike, then let him ride the damn bike. I hear you about the maturing at 25 argument, but I have friends at 25 who are far less mature than some 21 year olds I know. Luc knew the risks, and I have a hard time believing that he was an idiot on the bike - from what I've heard about him, idiocy is just not in his makeup, 21 or 41. This just screams unfortunate accident and no one at fault... |
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US679 Part Deux
An improvement over the US678 prototype
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Location: Milton, Ontario
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The young defenceman's girlfriend, Charlene Ward, was driving behind Bourdon when the accident happened not far from Shippagan, and the most emotional moments of the funeral Monday came when she read a poem she had written for her sweetheart last year. |
Can you imagine having to witness anybody's fatal accident let alone a friend or girl/boyfriends! that is just F'd up for her. |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
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| that poem was beautiful. sad, just sooo sad! |
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