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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2322
Location: Denver
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| A Burrows-Kesler-Demitra line is so crazy it juuuuuust might work. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 2018
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
I like your idea:
Sedin / Sedin / Bernier
Raymond / Demitra / Johnson
Burrows / Kesler / Pyatt
Hordichuk / Wellwood / Hansen
(Rypien/Cowan/Shannon) |
Whoa, that wasn't my idea.  Johnson is a defensive specialist, and Wellwood is only good for his hands. Ergo, you don't want Johnson on a scoring line and Wellwood as your 4th line center.
I also don't expect Hansen to be in the lineup. If no other changes are made, I would think something like:
Sedin / Sedin / Bernier
Raymond / Demitra / Wellwood
Burrows / Kesler / Pyatt
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pettinger
I think Cowan will be cut loose one way or another.
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| As for Wellwood, I think the jury is still out on him; for less than a million, they're gambling that they can get some mileage and production out of him, and maybe AV can. |
That sure won't happen if he's on the 4th line, though. Kind of the Ryan Shannon problem.
Likewise, if Pettinger plays on the 4th line, I predict much whining from the fans as to why he isn't "that 16-goal player anymore". Even though, you know, he's on the fourth line. (I can't help but notice that a lot of fans don't really understand scarcity and think that it's somehow possible for any player to reproduce a career high in any circumstances.)
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Bosc Ulrich II
OTP Resident Historian
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 3477
Location: Sweetest lid in the league
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| As for Wellwood, I think the jury is still out on him; for less than a million, they're gambling that they can get some mileage and production out of him, and maybe AV can. |
Here's where taking a page out of Detroit's book may be an idea. If he can't compete as a second-liner(being that matched against a scoring line, he's a liability, or matched against a checking line, he's physically unable to compete), give him 4th-line even strength minutes where he isn't on your top-checking line nor fighting through a checking line a lot, and throw him out for PP time. Worked wonders for Jiri Hudler this season. Though Hudler was in better shape for sure  That may be a tougher sell for the Nucks who don't have the same scoring depth.
And Ryan Johnson can't be on a scoring line. No hands. At all.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
Sedin / Sedin / Bernier
Raymond / Demitra / Wellwood
Burrows / Kesler / Pyatt
Hordichuk / Johnson / Pettinger |
If Johnson is a defensive specialist, then why not put him on the right with Kesler and Burr?
Raymond / Demitra / Pyatt
Burrows / Kesler / Johnson
Cowan / Hordichuk / Pettinger
(Rypien/Shannon)
Or if Wellwood gets his act together:
Demitra / Wellwood / Pyatt
Burrows / Kesler / Johnson
Raymond / Hordichuk / Pettinger
(Rypien / Shannon / Cowan)
I think you need to put a big body with Demitra on that second line - who's going to fetch the puck for them?
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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Here's another thought... What about bringing in Brendan Shanahan? Big body, right-handed, natural RW... He's still available and could bring some valuable experience and leadership. Sure he's long in the tooth but...
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Bosc Ulrich II
OTP Resident Historian
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Sweetest lid in the league
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Here's another thought... What about bringing in Brendan Shanahan? Big body, right-handed, natural RW... He's still available and could bring some valuable experience and leadership. Sure he's long in the tooth but... |
Shanny's been a LW for as long as I can remember...
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1148
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| Rick Ball read my email again! I was the guy who asked for the stoner alien clip and made fun of a previous caller who suggested trading the Sedins for Gaborik only to have the Sedins still be line 1A lol |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 352
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| haha i just heard that |
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 3841
Location: Saskatoon!
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Wellwood is even more useless on the wing than at centre.
Why does everyone insist on using Demitra as a C? He's a natural winger, and in my recollection had his best years on the wing.
If everything works out well, then Demitra should be playing RW, and Wellwood's your #2 centre. That's if he gets his ass in gear. If he can't play C, he shouldn't play at all.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| That is a trainwreck of a forward crew, at least the D is healthy and Luongo no longer distracted... |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
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No guarantees on Demitra... But given the lack of skill on the forward corps, I'd consider it a mistake of monumental proportions if they blew this negotiation...
Plan B is to put Demitra at C if Sundin doesn't sign... But I think he played best at wing.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 2018
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| No guarantees on Demitra... But given the lack of skill on the forward corps, I'd consider it a mistake of monumental proportions if they blew this negotiation... |
Kind of like Brunnström. 
For what it's worth -- and that is in the eye of the beholder -- numerous unofficial sources are reporting a done verbal (at least) deal on $4 million average over 3 years. This includes a Slovak newspaper.
edit: Ah, I see that's actually in the article. 
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 186
Location: JESUS JUST LEFT CHICAGO
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: sundin to vancouver |
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sundin to vancouver
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=534070&page=9
post # 203
this guy apparently called Naslund to the rangers & others.
Gillis is giving a pc tomorrow could just be Demitra but it could be...
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: sundin to vancouver |
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I'm not sure whether I should be happy or pissed off if that is the announcment,I think I'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out,If we do happen to get both Demitra and Sundin than who knows we may actually get better,This fucking season or offseason if you will is confusing the hell out of me |
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Location: JESUS JUST LEFT CHICAGO
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: sundin to vancouver |
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I'm not sure whether I should be happy or pissed off if that is the announcment,I think I'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out,If we do happen to get both Demitra and Sundin than who knows we may actually get better,This fucking season or offseason if you will is confusing the hell out of me |
If Gillis brings us Sundin he will have surpassed Nonis as a GM in his first few months.
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 973
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: sundin to vancouver |
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I'm not sure whether I should be happy or pissed off if that is the announcment,I think I'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out,If we do happen to get both Demitra and Sundin than who knows we may actually get better,This fucking season or offseason if you will is confusing the hell out of me |
If Gillis brings us Sundin he will have surpassed Nonis as a GM in his first few months. |
We'll see about that!Sundin is an old man by NHL standards,If he can produce good numbers than fine but if he tanks playing our defensive system than 10 million a year goes boom in our faces.I also put Gillis in the same category as Burke ,(opportunist)he comes in here with massive cap space where essentially Nonis had none and says look what I did look what I did where Nonis never had that opportunity.IMO It should have been AV getting the Axe and Nonis staying.Nevertheless,it's all water under the bridge now and I hope gillis makes it work for us  |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Some love for Demitra, courtesy of Geoff Courtnall.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 2018
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: Re: sundin to vancouver |
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| Tuzer wrote: |
| We'll see about that!Sundin is an old man by NHL standards,If he can produce good numbers than fine but if he tanks playing our defensive system than 10 million a year goes boom in our faces.I also put Gillis in the same category as Burke ,(opportunist)he comes in here with massive cap space where essentially Nonis had none and says look what I did look what I did where Nonis never had that opportunity.IMO It should have been AV getting the Axe and Nonis staying.Nevertheless,it's all water under the bridge now and I hope gillis makes it work for us |
I, too, wonder about the true impact that a Sundin signing might have. He may be a nicer guy, but the circumstances are remarkably similar to the Messier signing, but this time with a salary cap. I sure as hell don't expect 80-point seasons from a near-40-year-old adjusting to a new team, new environment, and defensive system.
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 973
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Re: sundin to vancouver |
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| I sure as hell don't expect 80-point seasons from a near-40-year-old adjusting to a new team, new environment, and defensive system. |
See,The sad thing about that is,At 10 million per,I expect 100+ points in his first year,After all He will be the highest paid player in the league |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Demitra let some sort of feline out of a bag... he said Gillis promised him if its not Sundin it will be someone else (referring to a centre to play with)
The Sundin rumours took a 180degree turn yesterday , the hype machine is back on track in Vancouver. I think what really pushed the hype machine over the top was John Shorthouse's vote of optimism whom is not one to get involved with rumours said up until yesterday he felt zero chance but after talking to two "good inside sources" he feels its 50/50 again. |
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