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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| You really think Krajicek has been their best defenceman? I would have voted Edler given that I think he's had more ice time... |
Well, I said for parts of the season. When the team was stuggling (before Edler was called up), Krajicek was the only one who seemed to know what he was doing out there. I do think he's very steady, though... he hasn't really had any bad games this season, or not that I've read about anyway.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I have no complaints on anyone on the blueline at all. Of course there's been some odd forgetable games here and there for everybody , overall the D and Goal have zero stress levels , despite the injuries.
Sami Salo is finally starting to get into game form and mid season shape. That's a pretty big boost to get a healthy Salo back in full stride.
If I had to vote for the Canucks NOrris at the half way point , I would give it to Ohlund. Despite his slow start he picked up his game too after that Nashville game , with clutch goals , points , big plays , big match ups.
But again , I like them all , even Miller Time.. Im not expecting Miller to be Adam Foote , just be Brian Glynn. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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It is interesting to note that no matter who is in or out of the lineup, the team remains very competitive. Even when their blueline included Edler, Bourdon, and Weaver, this team didn't look bad. I think you mentioned it earlier, Luvah, that a lot of credit has to go to AV and his coaching staff for preparing the team, simplifying their game, and making the right adjustments and matchups as-needed.
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monsieur parafect
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
So it's what? 37 games into the season... The team is 20-13-4. I realize it's probably too early to talk about this, but it's fun to think about.
After this season, the UFAs and RFAs are:
Forwards:
Naslund Naslund, $6m
Brendan Morrison, $3.2m
Matt Cooke, $1.525m
Trevor Linden, $0.6m
Byron Ritchie, $0.675m
Brad Isbister, $0.525m
Mike Brown, $0.5m
Rick Rypien, $0.475m
Ryan Shannon, $0.55m
Defence:
Aaron Miller, $1.5m
Mike Weaver, $0.6m
Goal:
Curtis Sanford, $0.6m
Drew McIntyre, $0.495m
IMO, Naslund deserves strong consideration to be re-upped. They really can't trade him given that it looks like it's going to be a real dogfight to the end in the NW division, and Vancouver will need every ounce of offence it can muster to help Luongo out. Obviously, I don't think DN can afford to hold onto him at anything close to that salary. He's 33 now, and logic suggests that his performance will begin its inevitable slide into his late 30s; there's the possibility that he can continue to be productive, and with the Sedins signed for a few more years, who's to say he won't do that. He's also been talking about raising his family back in Sweden so it won't necessarily be easy to re-sign him; of course, having a Luongo at the core always gives the team a shot at the postseason and that may be what gives DN his strongest bargaining chip. Perhaps a three-year worth close to what the Sedins are getting now in the first year, then dropping off thereafter to average $3m per ($3.5m/3.0m/2.5m); basically, he’s only as good as the Sedins can be, but his production and contribution can be expected to drop off with time. He's been the face of the organization since the late 90s and for sentimental reasons, I'd love to see him retire as a Nuck.
BMo’s injury will make it impossible to move him at the deadline; prior to it, he had been a solid second line center but is also probably the first player that DN would consider moving at the deadline. Since his injury on or about December 12, the Nucks are 4-2-1, and at least anecdotally, appear to be doing much better in the faceoff circle. Jaffray, Raymond, and Pyatt haven’t looked completely out of place or outplayed as the second/third unit, despite their lack of punch. And Kesler has been getting stronger and stronger anchoring the shutdown unit of Cooke / Kesler / Burrows. BMo is 31 now, and should have a few more years in the tank, but his numbers have been on the decline since before the lockout; I’d suggest that Kesler is probably this team’s second-best center and will be for the foreseeable future. Unless BMo is willing to sign for around $2m a season, I’d say let him go.
Buh bye, Matt Cooke. If someone inquires about him at or before the deadline, I’d say send him and get something in return.
Trevor Linden… If he continues to dog Naslund as the all-time scoring leader, why not?  I’d wait and see what he does in the postseason (assuming Vancouver gets in again) and if Trevor and provide some timely scoring, why not? Is Vancouver better off re-signing Isbister / Ritchie than Linden? But please let’s not jerk him around in the offseason again – that was humiliating enough.
Isbister / Ritchie: The jury is still out. I like how Isbister plays when he wants to; I’d actually rate Ritchie higher right now – he seems to be more aware than Isbister appears to be.
The top six defense is pretty much set with Mitchell, Edler, Ohlund, Salo, Krajicek and BXA. But DN and AV love their #7 and 8 defencemen (presently Miller and Weaver). BMo notwithstanding, I think this is where DN has some bargaining chips. Of those six, I think one of Krajicek and Ohlund are the two I’d consider moving if I were DN, along with Weaver who continues to be an adventure at the point, if anyone is willing to take him. Does Ohlund have an NTC? As injury-prone as Salo is, I think they need to keep him because his shot gives the PP more room to operate. I love what Mitchell does; Edler is untouchable and BXA just signed an extension. Bourdon looked much better during his last stint and may be ready to take the next step. I can see the core d next season could look like Mitchell/Edler, BXA/Salo, with Miller/Krajicek being last pairing with Bourdon and Player-to-be-named-later as the #7/8 defencemen. So I guess what I’m saying is move one of Ohlund or Krajicek and move Weaver, and see if Miller will re-sign for another year.
Definitely re-sign Sanford. And for as long as he is willing to be Luongo’s understudy/bellboy.
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Just a few things tCL. Naslund will be 35 years old next summer. His birthdate is July 30, 1973. I know that because my birthdate is July 30, 1958. So he's a little older than you thought and alot younger than me. After 39 games he's on pace to better last season's stats but not by much. He looks to get 27-28 goals and 65-70 pts. It's only downhill from there. The Canucks may re-up him but not for more than 2 seasons at $3.5 mil per at most.
Morrison will be 33 next August. He was on pace for another 20 g 55 pt season until he had to get an operation. I don't see anyone picking up a healthy B-Mo from the Canucks for a player in return with his pending UFA at season's end. A playoff team would give the Canucks a draft pick or a prospect for him but no out of the playoffs team would give up a good player off their roster for him. Wait until he returns. Henrik, B-Mo and Kesler down the middle aren't the second coming of Gretzky and Messier but collectively they are the strongest the Canucks have been at center in what has been historically the weakest position in the franchise. If Morrison has a good playoff, then sign him as well for 2 more seasons at $2-$2.5 mil per. If not, let him go and see if the Canucks can pry Jarrod Stoll from Edmonton or Tuomo Ruutu from Chicago as the 3rd center. I guarantee Artem Chubarov isn't coming back for less than $3 mil per.
Matt Cooke's playing well right now but is going to be a victim of the salary cap and age. Alec Burrows and Jannik Hansen can do what he does cheaper and with less PIM. Same for Linden. Vigneault wants Brown and Rypien as energy guys for the 4th line. If the Canucks want veteran leadership then next season they should take a hard look at Darren McCarty and his comeback. He has 3 Cup rings and is 2 years younger than Linden. Time for Trevor to hang 'em up at the end of the season.
Isbuster and Ritchie? Maybe. It depends on which kids are NHL ready in Manitoba. I'm on record as stating the 4th liners and role players with the Canucks this season have contributed more than last season's group. It doesn't show in scoring where the Canucks are on pace to match last season's goal total but shows defensively where they may shave 20 goals off their GAA.
On defence, Krajicek's play has slipped a little since the season has progressed and he returned from injury. I still wouldn't throw him under the bus at age 24 though. He plays a position that is hardest and takes longest to learn. To me, other than goal the Canucks are strongest on the back end and potentially could have Mitchell, Ohlund, Bieksa, Salo, Edler, Krajicek and Bourdon on the roster in '08-'09. I wouldn't want to move any of them. It would be up to Nonis as to how much he's willing to risk for a shot at the Stanley Cup this season. In 5 weeks he should know how Morrison and Bieksa are progressing and if they're capable of returning for the playoffs. Depending on the health of the rest of the team, Nonis might trade for an impact player. Not a superstar. It would cost him Krajicek, Pyatt, his 2008 first round pick in the least and probably more. I doubt Nonis will make any sort of move. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Garrioch says that Glen Murray is drawing interest from Vancouver...  I call BS since he's still on the books until 08/09 for $4.15M; he's 34 now and I can't see the Nucks tie up that much cap room on a 35 year old who may or may not have it any longer... I wouldn't want them re-upping Naslund for that much, why on Earth would they want to pay someone more than either of the Sedins?
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Im still not used to the deadline being in feb. its just around the corner. We need more teams to fall out of the race to get the rumourville all heated up by Feb. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Its that time of year again , little over a month away from the deadline
EKLUND today
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| Forsberg Decision Coming Soon. Flyers, Flames and Canucks Leading Way |
in general , I still like Forsberg as a plan B though for NOnis. if Nonis cant get anything significant done in the trade market , then sure...bring in gimpy. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Spectors who quoted Bucky Gleason:
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| Bucky Gleason suggests the Sabres should trade defenceman Brian Campbell before the deadline if the club has no intention of re-signing the impending UFA blueliner. Gleason also suggests "turnover machine Maxim Afinogenov" should also be thrown into the equation as he might land a high pick or prospect, as well as Dimitri Kalinin. He lists Chicago, Phoenix, Dallas and Vancouver as potential trade partners. |
I assume Vancouver would be in the Maxim talks. |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't mind seeing either one of those two in the line-up,The only problem I have,Is what kind of shape is Foppa in  |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Pierre Maguire was saying that he spoke with Forsberg's agent in Sweden during the WJC and he says Forsberg is all about winning the Cup meaning whomever he chooses , it will be a bargain price. In Maguire's opinion , Maguire says Detroit is the front runner and Vancouver is on the radar but second tier choice behind Ottawa and Detroit. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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I'll break my self-imposed hiatus from this forum simply to comment on the Murray to Vancouver thing. I was listening to Rick Ball the other day and the callers were just givin er to Naslund - 80% of the voters on their poll said the Naslund to the 4th line move was long overdue.
Got me thinking - Naslund for Murray- makes a ton of sense for both teams. For whatever reason Naslund just doesn't seem interested in leading this team - get rid of him, bring a comparable player (currently) in, and then you can make a directional statement by naming the new captain.
As for Murray himself, he's a tad dainty nowadays injury wise, but he's almost 2 million cheaper than Naslund, which means it would free up more room for Nonis to acquire another scoring winger (at this point in the season, he could afford a 4 million dollar hit, I think). But don't fool yourself - he can still put the puck in the net and was doing it consistently for us before he got injured. He's a 25-30 goal guy now rather than a 40 goal guy, but last I checked Naslund wasn't on pace for much more...
On the other hand, if you think Floppa is yours, gotta keep Naslund...
From our end, we have all the cap room in the world  , and we'd also clear the decks for next year. Ideally acquiring Naslund would launch us into the Forsberg sweepstakes, but it's unlikely. I just don't think we really want Murray around at 4 million per for next year (we tried to dump him on Minny for Manny), and you never know if a change of scenery shakes Naslund out of his funk...
Anyway, I think this would be a good move for both teams... |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Bruins a contender for Foresberg? he said he wants to go to a cup contender! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Well , I personally think the Canucks were looking at the likes of Antropov or god forbid Pocahontas or whatever his name is. I dont like neither but just being realistic. Carolina is to banged up , they need to add a player let alone lose one. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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this was funny , the article answers why I didnt think it was Sundin ... its that "why scout a star?" ...
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So, why send NHL scouts to assess Mats Sundin? Here's what one had to say:
"You're looking to see if he's consistent and if any part of his game has fallen off. You're probably watching to see if he still has the passion for the game. He's had a pretty good year so that's not a problem for me." |
I found hilarious they answered that exact question I had!lol |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well if AV has any input,Than the scouts are probably there to scout Darcy Tucker |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| lol no doubt , that is so true. The king of those type of players , AV is probably drooling at the thought. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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I'm actually worried that with all the injuries on the back end, Nonis is going to pick up yet another defenseman at the deadline (and perhaps a token forward of little impact), instead of putting emphasis on scoring. Picking up defensemen is one of those things that Nonis does as a matter of course, like breathing and going to the bathroom. The declining health of Vancouver's nevertheless deepest position may encourage him here...
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Cannots Luvah
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{postrow.L_MINI_POST_ALTPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject:
I'm actually worried that with all the injuries on the back end, Nonis is going to pick up yet another defenseman at the deadline (and perhaps a token forward of little impact), |
Its look enivitable now , I was thinking even when they were healthy Nonis might grab another D man caz its who he is! lol.. but most definitely now. Another Weino , Sopes type of pick up... which is too bad caz they really shouldnt be needing too but so many damn injuries
But I dont think it will deter from his focus on some scoring help. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| But I dont think it will deter from his focus on some scoring help. |
He's only got so many resources to go around, though. Though a Sopel type can be picked up with a draft pick, that's still potential payment toward a forward of some consequence. And there's the time factor, too -- things tend to heat up right at the very end, and if Nonis is busy working the phones to get Nolan Baumgartner back, he is missing out on deals up front.
Then there's also the issue of superfluousness -- though it may never happen, if everyone gets back (not even necessarily including Bieksa), you waste resources by having a guy like Miller sit in the pressbox. And the guy who's taking his place -- unless it's Scott Niedermayer, how much of a difference is he going to make? How much of an edge does Brad Lukowich really have over Aaron Miller when it all comes down to it?
There's just a number of angles that resources could be wasted by focusing too much on the back end.
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