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kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| isn't the term fan derived from "fanatic"? SO IMO to call oneself a fan would be to say fanatic like sticking by your team, or individual player, and following the rumors and gossip surrounding them. I mean if this isn't the case then why does anyone read Eklund? You can read the same about any fans of any team especially when they're struggling and fans are hungry for something to happen. As for Linden sitting well hey keep him fresh and uninjured for the stretch and the playoffs. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 2018
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Why is it, then, that whenever I run into Leaf or Hab fans in this city, we quickly realize that we agree on one thing - that Canuck fans (again, not the ones on this board) are easily the WORST fans in the league in terms of being fair-weathered EDITED |
I would think the reason for anything negative toward the Canucks shared among you wouldbe obvious -- you all cheer against the local team. Duh.
And now to change your criticism to fair-weathered while previously discussing obsessiveness with a local player shows that you're not even sure what you're arguing -- you're just hurling bile, and it's not interesting for anyone to read.
Try actually going other places and you'll see fans -- those who do follow the team and develop irrational attachments to players -- are pretty much the same everywhere. If you're talking fair-weatheredness, it's a totally different story, but I'm proud if people on the West Coast have a bit more perspective in life than those who wish to see the deaths of others based on a sporting event. However, this has nothing to do with the point you were somewhat annoyingly trying to make.
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2322
Location: Denver
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| While I suppose I can appreciate Vigneault's candor here, he's making a huge error here by mouthing off to the press about Linden. If anything, he should make his concerns about Trevor to TREVOR first, he shouldn't have to hear about crap like this from the press. Not only is he giving a cold shoulder to Linden (right or wrong in evaluating his relative worth at this point) but he's just inviting locker room dischord by doing this. |
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 186
Location: JESUS JUST LEFT CHICAGO
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| I think Linden is here for one reason.. playoffs. Last year's playoffs clearly showed Linden has something to give come playoff time. |
Don't get me wrong I am a big Linden fan but having Linden as 1 of your clutch playoff performers is indicative of a problem.
At his age & skill level he shouldn't be the teams' leading point getter in the playoffs & the fact that he was last year means this team needs to upgrade at the fwd position--something they seem unwilling to even attempt--when the trade deadline comes & Nonis is quoted "the deal that made sense just wasn't there" or some words to that effect I think we'll all be disappointed but will we be surprised?
Linden may have another good playoff in him but without the addition of a top 6 fwd this team isn't going to go as far as we all hope. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| whenever I run into Leaf or Hab fans in this city... |
That is the most ridiculous comment I have ever read on these forums ever.. taking opinions on Canuck fans from Hab and BUd fans in Vancouver. What do you think these ass hats are going to say???? and who exactly are you people criticizing ? Suzy Soccer Mom who waves her Cauncks flag and thinks Linden is the greatest player of all time?
I know tons of Habs fans in Vancouver (most outsider fans in Vancouver are Habs ..then its Leafs , then I would say 3 way tie for third Oilers , Flyers and Bruins) , I grew up with them , I see them everywhere , I put up with them everday , they are everywhere. You wanna know what they were discussing 2006 playoffs , round 1 , just prior to game 3 as the Habs were up 2-0 on the Cane ? Who Huet reminded them of. The older guys were arguing Dryden and the younger guys ( my gen and younger ) were arguing Roy.. I. Am. Not. Kidding. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| freakydave wrote: |
| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| I think Linden is here for one reason.. playoffs. Last year's playoffs clearly showed Linden has something to give come playoff time. |
Don't get me wrong I am a big Linden fan but having Linden as 1 of your clutch playoff performers is indicative of a problem.
At his age & skill level he shouldn't be the teams' leading point getter in the playoffs & the fact that he was last year means this team needs to upgrade at the fwd position--something they seem unwilling to even attempt--when the trade deadline comes & Nonis is quoted "the deal that made sense just wasn't there" or some words to that effect I think we'll all be disappointed but will we be surprised?
Linden may have another good playoff in him but without the addition of a top 6 fwd this team isn't going to go as far as we all hope. |
thats a good point , I felt the same way about Mike KEane back in the day. He and the Canucks were taking criticism on that signing.. and I said back then , if we are losing games because of Keane , we are in trouble ... if we are winning games because of Keane, we are in trouble. Same thing with Linden , if Linden is the key to the playoffs then we are in trouble... I agree. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1826
Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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[quote="Jyrki21"][quote="razzmatazz"]Why is it, then, that whenever I run into Leaf or Hab fans in this city, we quickly realize that we agree on one thing - that Canuck fans (again, not the ones on this board) are easily the WORST fans in the league in terms of being fair-weathered [b]EDITED[/b][/quote]
I would think the reason for anything negative toward the Canucks shared among you wouldbe obvious -- you all cheer against the local team. Duh.
And now to change your criticism to [i]fair-weathered[/i] while previously discussing obsessiveness with a local player shows that you're not even sure what you're arguing -- you're just hurling bile, and it's not interesting for anyone to read.
Try actually [i]going[/i] other places and you'll see fans -- those who do follow the team and develop irrational attachments to players -- are pretty much the same everywhere. If you're talking fair-weatheredness, it's a totally different story, but I'm proud if people on the West Coast have a bit more perspective in life than those who wish to see the deaths of others based on a sporting event. However, this has nothing to do with the point you were somewhat annoyingly trying to make.[/quote]
Until you watch your star player get crippled, rather than your fringe player do the crippling, I don't think, with respect, that you're in a position to wax eloquent about "perspective"...
Whether fans are fair weathered, and whether they have an obsession with all things Trevor, are two distinct points. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1962
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Until you watch your star player get crippled, rather than your fringe player do the crippling, I don't think, with respect, that you're in a position to wax eloquent about "perspective"... |
WTF does this have to do with Linden?
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Bosc Ulrich II
OTP Resident Historian
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 3477
Location: Sweetest lid in the league
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Until you watch your star player get crippled, rather than your fringe player do the crippling, I don't think, with respect, that you're in a position to wax eloquent about "perspective"... |
WTF does this have to do with Linden? |
As Ian said, nothing:
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| If you're talking fair-weatheredness, it's a totally different story, but I'm proud if people on the West Coast have a bit more perspective in life than those who wish to see the deaths of others based on a sporting event. However, this has nothing to do with the point you were somewhat annoyingly trying to make. |
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Fogghorn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it, then, that whenever I run into Leaf or Hab fans in this city, we quickly realize that we agree on one thing - that Canuck fans (again, not the ones on this board) are easily the WORST fans in the league in terms of being fair-weathered |
Totally true Razz, no one who is old enough to recall the Summit Series and the Vancouver fans booing team Canada would disagree that Vancouver is different and not as passionately over the top about their teams. However this can be generally said about all Canadian fans when compared to those of other nations in support of our sports teams.
However as Jyrki points out this difference isn't necessarily bad. The same tendency of emotional fanaticism that fans bequeath their sports teams are the same qualities that blind human's to jingoistic blindly patriotic nonsense like "my country love it or leave it"; or South American fans who have killed national team soccer players for failing to win in the world cup; or the millions of crazy assholes who believe taking another life is justifiable when done in the name of their King, Queen, country or God.
It's a game Razz, passion is good, difference of opinion and debate are healthy, but blindly and consistently espousing opinions that are governed by dogmatic certainty is not. |
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