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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: Good news, Jyrki21... |
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GMMG is a fan of Moneyball. It remains to be seen whether he can successfully apply these principles to the business of hockey.
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As Gillis talked Friday about management models, it wasn't Sam Pollock or Bill Torrey or Glen Sather or Brian Burke he cited, but Sandy Alderson.
Alderson is the former U.S. marine who had no baseball management experience when he was named general manager of the Oakland Athletics in 1982. His hiring was ridiculed by many in the baseball establishment, but Alderson revolutionized the game.
He relied on data and detached analysis rather than experience and emotion to choose players and build his team, which became the best in baseball. His successor Billy Beane, a disciple, introduced the concept of "Moneyball," which in turn spawned other unconventional executives like Theo Epstein of the Boston Red Sox and J.P. Ricciardi of the Toronto Blue Jays.
"When I look at Sandy Alderson, he was the guy who basically reinvented baseball management," Gillis said. "He was a marine. Billy Beane doesn't attend games; he listens on the radio. How unconventional is that?
"Everything that has happened in Major League Baseball sort of preceded hockey by about 10 years. They went through the wars before we did, went through massive change on the labour front before we did.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| There are certainly stats that are way undervalued. Of course, a change in drafting strategy will by definition improve things... |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Denver
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J.P. is a "moneyball" guy!? He's certainly no ringing endorsement of the practice.  |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| Yeah he was a Billy Beane disciple, but kinda went off the deep end in Toronto lol... |
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Saskatoon!
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Moneyball theory doesn't work. It's extremely hit or miss. There's zero emphasis on development of actual, you know, skills.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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All the same, I'll happily take a guy who takes an economic and probabilities approach to the game rather than one founded on 'conventional wisdom.'
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 164
Location: Rollin down the street
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| All the same, I'll happily take a guy who takes an economic and probabilities approach to the game rather than one founded on 'conventional wisdom.' |
I agree with you there,conventional hky wisdom hasn't done much for the Canucks.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| yeah , Gillis seems to be willing to think outside the traditional box.. scares me and excites me at the same time. |
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