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swflyers8

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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject:

razzmatazz wrote:

Then I'm sure you'll have a completely logical explanation for the fact that Jones paused, sized up the situation, and then drilled Bergeron...

And if you don't agree that there was a pause... watch the tape...

There was no pause, I've watched the hit countless times.
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razzmatazz
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

He saw the numbers early. Bergeron didn't suddenly dive in. If anything he braced himself and yet was still hurtled forward like a runaway train. Jones had all the time in the world to decide not to hit Bergy and yet he did. The unassailable conclusion is that Bergeron did nothing wrong, and Jones did everything wrong.

swflyers8

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:

razzmatazz wrote:

He saw the numbers early. Bergeron didn't suddenly dive in. If anything he braced himself and yet was still hurtled forward like a runaway train. Jones had all the time in the world to decide not to hit Bergy and yet he did. The unassailable conclusion is that Bergeron did nothing wrong, and Jones did everything wrong.

Bullshit. He slammed on the brakes and put himself in an awkward position.
It's his own fault.
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:30 am Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

razzmatazz wrote:

Bullshit. He slammed on the brakes and put himself in an awkward position.
It's his own fault.

Bullshit. He played the puck. Until you tell me how he could have protected himself better yet still played the puck in an equally effective way, your comments remain pure, unadulterated crap...

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:04 am Post subject:

There's playing hard and there's playing cheap. This team .... wow. The Flyers must be tight with Bettman to get away with this so consistently. To echo the founder - ditch the instigator. Would love to see the league pound on Philly. _________________ The fans represent the soul of the organization. This is their team. Us, we simply try to make it better. They tell us when things are going good, and when they are less so. We don't always give them the impression that we are listening, but we are.

DH
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:54 am Post subject:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

There's playing hard and there's playing cheap. This team .... wow. The Flyers must be tight with Bettman to get away with this so consistently.

To echo the founder - ditch the instigator. Would love to see the league pound on Philly.

Ditching the instigator accomplishes nothing. But let's at least give the refs some discretion as to when it should be applied.

swflyers8

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:

Why no talk about this vicious hit by Craig Rivet on Dallas's captain? It happened last night. I guess Rivet wasn't wearing the right uniform in order for this to be talked about on end... :rolleyes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nB7mM18azfc _________________

DH
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

Why no talk about this vicious hit by Craig Rivet on Dallas's captain? It happened last night. I guess Rivet wasn't wearing the right uniform in order for this to be talked about on end... :rolleyes:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nB7mM18azfc

Oh fuck off. THIS is vicious? but Jones and Hartnell were clean?

Jesus, there's some competition for the rose-colored glasses/homer award this year.

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

You're partially right. The reason that it doesn't receive the attention is because of the jersey. People talk about it more when it happens with the Flyers because it keeps on happening with the Flyers, far more often than any other team in the league. Not a difficult concept to understand Rolling Eyes

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swflyers8

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject:

Well based on the appearance that the NHL wants to have about hits from behind, there should be something done. I mean for fuck's sake, the guy was bleeding after the hit: _________________

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject:

DH wrote:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

Ditching the instigator accomplishes nothing. But let's at least give the refs some discretion as to when it should be applied.

How do you figure? Allowing players to sort out issues on the ice through fighting would allow 29 teams to continuously beat the shit out of Philly.
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razzmatazz
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

Well based on the appearance that the NHL wants to have about hits from behind, there should be something done. I mean for fuck's sake, the guy was bleeding after the hit:

Cut above the eye, severe concussions... six of one, right?

Idiotic...

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

yeah that's shitty. How does that change anything w.r.t. the Flyers? Just because someone else does some shit doesn't excuse your team from consistently doing stupid shit, dude.

I like hard play. I hate cheap play. Especially when fans defend it.

EDIT - i.e. what Bosc said. Gotta be quicker in posting these things!
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

That was really dirty... Rivet sure can throw them though...
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject:

swflyers8 wrote:

Well based on the appearance that the NHL wants to have about hits from behind, there should be something done. [/img]

Hold up. Based on the appearance the league wants to have on hitting from behind, they should do something??? The NHL has never had any appearance about actually dealing with hits from behind Laughing

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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:

Bosc Ulrich II wrote:

swflyers8 wrote:

Well based on the appearance that the NHL wants to have about hits from behind, there should be something done. [/img]

If they were at all serious, they'd dock points from the Flyers until they cleaned their act up. The league apparently couldn't care less, and so it goes...

DH
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

DH wrote:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

Ditching the instigator accomplishes nothing. But let's at least give the refs some discretion as to when it should be applied.

How do you figure? Allowing players to sort out issues on the ice through fighting would allow 29 teams to continuously beat the shit out of Philly.

And allow any team to continuously beat the shit out of your skill players whenever they feel like it...do you really want the outcome of some goon jumping Koivu and pounding the shit out of him to be each going off for 5 minutes? Under those rules it would behoove teams to have a couple totally useless pluggers whose sole job is to throw punches at your best players to get them off the ice for 5 minutes.

Call the instigator when some jackass jumps someone for no good reason. When it's a situation where the guy getting jumped has ran the goalie or delivered a cheap shot then no instigator call is needed.

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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:28 am Post subject:

DH wrote:

Call the instigator when some jackass jumps someone for no good reason. When it's a situation where the guy getting jumped has ran the goalie or delivered a cheap shot then no instigator call is needed.

That makes good sense.
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

US679 Part Deux wrote:

DH wrote:

That makes good sense.

Back in the day, that would have been 5 min each with the jackass getting an extra two for roughing. The instigator rule hasn't helped anything but put control of what goes on on-ice in the hands of the refs.

EDIT - meaning, as the rule stands, they can't make the distinction that DH refers to, which is what used to happen before the advent of the instigator rule. I also have no doubt that this has directly, and negatively, affected the amount of respect we now see on-ice.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:30 am Post subject:

And sometimes they would miss the chance to make such a distinction in the clip swflyers posted, Daley gets the instigator for going to Morrow's defense; Rivet wasn't even called for his blatant hit from behind. And yes, that was just as bad as the hit on Bergeron -perhaps worse Morrow was clearly stopped facing the boards for several seconds before Rivet barreled into him. He didn't suddenly turn his back, nor was anyone near him when he initially went to the puck. The worst part of the Jones hit wasn't that he didn't pull up, it's that he followed through with his arms to the back of Bergeron's head; Rivet hit Morrow in the back rather than the head, that's why Morrow escaped with only a cut eye _________________ I'm a Bruins fan - don't try to confuse me with the facts

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