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 Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: Zetterberg's back acting up again. |
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Detroit forward, Henrik Zetterberg, is again having difficulties with his back. This may jeopardize his appearances in tonight's and tomorrow's games against the Kings and the Ducks as well as the upcoming All Star Game in Atlanta.
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080122/SPORTS0103/801220368/1128
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Well, at least it is better than Crosby's ankle sprain....
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| Well, at least it is better than Crosby's ankle sprain.... |
Not if it's the same recurring problem that keeps popping up
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Zetterberg is definitely out for the rest of the west coast road trip and is also out for the All Star Game.
http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/wingsblog/index.cfm
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And...we take two against the Kings and Ducks, 3-0 and 2-1 respectively. This team has been great whenever Zetterberg has been out, so having him in the lineup is that much better.
Only saw a period and a half or so of the tilt against the Ducks last night. I missed Cleary taking on Pronger and getting his eye clawed, but that's awesome that he took him on. Downey also took on O'Donnell. The Filppula goal was a nice 2-on-.5 passing play between Voltron and Kopecky after Beachemin busted his twig making a pass. Hasek made some good stops.
I really don't like the thought of losing Cleary in the off-season, but I guess that depends on what his price tag will be
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Who else would be getting a raise that Cleary couldn't be kept?
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Who else would be getting a raise that Cleary couldn't be kept? |
Voltron and Howard are RFA's, as is Quincey. Osgood's cap hit goes up next year. Lilja, if we keep him, will likely be looking for an increase over his $1 mil salary.
Having Hasek and Chelios's bonuses counting against this year's cap instead of next years will be a good thing for sure.
Also, Cleary will likely want to cash in on his career-resurrection in Detroit and look for a long-term deal. After next season, we will have Zetterberg's new deal, Hudler RFA, Samuelsson and Franzen UFA(whether they're kept or not, we still need someone in that roster spot). Maybe some of the kids will be able to take roster spots, but unfortunately that's a season later.
An increase in the cap would certainly help our ability to retain him. So would a deal in the 2-million range, but I don't know if we could get him to sign that low
Remember when we talked about the possibility of Huet signing in Detroit? I don't think I see that happening unless there is a large jump in the cap and Ozzy's play takes a big turn for the worse 
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Well, if Detroit management believes Cleary is going to be a big part of the team's future, they'll find a way to keep him. Filpulla will get an increase but I doubt an overly large one.
You're conveniently forgetting that Draper and Lidstrom took paycuts for next year from their current deals, which generally balances out the Osgood increase. Hasek's $4m hit is off the books, and if he comes back, I doubt he'll get that much. I don't know what the team plans on doing w/r/t goaltending going forward, so I'm sure that will play a role in the Cleary talks.
Quincey and Howard aren't in the NHL yet, so their cap hit will be extremely minimal.
Why would you keep Lilja if he now costs more than a million? Let a kid play instead, you have 2 or 3 that can fill in (Quincey being one, Kindl and Meech the others).
The Wings have plenty of space that I can see and I think should be able to re-up Cleary, Zetterberg, and even Franzen if those 3 are considered high priority players. The D is set for the forseeable future at a pretty close to fixed rate, so all increases in the cap can go the forwards. The goaltending is the only wild card (if they decide to bring in a high priced guy).
The Wings are also really only at about $45-$46m this year (w/a $2.3m bonus coushin)... they got bumped over $47m in cap hit because of just over $1m in overage hit from last season. Don't put any bonuses into next year and this team could have $8m in cap space for next year.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Well, if Detroit management believes Cleary is going to be a big part of the team's future, they'll find a way to keep him. Filpulla will get an increase but I doubt an overly large one.
You're conveniently forgetting that Draper and Lidstrom took paycuts for next year from their current deals, which generally balances out the Osgood increase. Hasek's $4m hit is off the books, and if he comes back, I doubt he'll get that much. I don't know what the team plans on doing w/r/t goaltending going forward, so I'm sure that will play a role in the Cleary talks.
Quincey and Howard aren't in the NHL yet, so their cap hit will be extremely minimal.
Why would you keep Lilja if he now costs more than a million? Let a kid play instead, you have 2 or 3 that can fill in (Quincey being one, Kindl and Meech the others).
The Wings have plenty of space that I can see and I think should be able to re-up Cleary, Zetterberg, and even Franzen if those 3 are considered high priority players. The D is set for the forseeable future at a pretty close to fixed rate, so all increases in the cap can go the forwards. The goaltending is the only wild card (if they decide to bring in a high priced guy).
The Wings are also really only at about $45-$46m this year (w/a $2.3m bonus coushin)... they got bumped over $47m in cap hit because of just over $1m in overage hit from last season. Don't put any bonuses into next year and this team could have $8m in cap space for next year. |
You're right about Draper and Lidstrom's paycuts. They balance out the increase in Ozzy's cap hit.
Depending on what we do with our goaltending and Lilja, Howard and Quincey(or another D such as Kindl or Ericsson) will be in the league. Their cap hits will be lower than what Hasek and Lilja add up to. Lilja, though he tends to be a whipping boy of sorts for some of his gaffes and puck-playing miscues, does bring a needed physical element on the back end and is a good shot-blocker and decent penalty-killer. I always like to say let a kid play instead, but Wings management always brings players along slowly and will take a vet over letting a kid play simply to see if he can play. They want to make sure the kid can play.
Cap space next year is nice, but the problem is when giving long-term deals, because a whole lot of space will get eaten up by Zetterberg's massive raise. Still, I like how the team is positioned in the next couple of years.
Kronwall has been playing well this year. 25 points in 47 games(21st in D scoring), 20 min/game, 8th in the league in +/-(and 2nd to Lidstrom among D) at +18. He's been cutting down on the riskier plays, but isn't shooting as much as the Wings brass would like him to because he has a cannon. He's got some pretty good hands, and you can see the offensive skill, but he's still rounding out his defensive game. Even now his contract is looking pretty good. I remember a while ago I was listening to Bill Watters with Jeff Marek and Jeff was asking about Kronwall's contract status and was surprised when Watters told him the deal, simply because he had been a big bandaid. Watters said "Oooooh no Jeffy. Kenny knows what he's doing. He's gonna be a good one."
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All Kronwall has to do to make the contract look good is stay healthy. After that, it's $3m for a 2nd pairing guy, and on the open market an average top 4 guy gets $3.5m a year.
I don't anticipate Zetterberg demanding more than what Lidstrom currently makes, so I see them getting that deal done. Should be room for a $3m range salary like Cleary and such.
The cap in 2009-10 will be just shy of $60m, and next year's salary floor will be close to the salary ceiling in 2005-06 (which was $39m).
BTW, next year, the Wings should have room to add a high priced goalie for one year if they want. Khabibulin, Gerber and Roloson are some names that come to mind... both their contracts end after 2008-09 when Zetterberg's extension would kick in. Just something to think about if Hasek retires and Howard isn't ready.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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All Kronwall has to do to make the contract look good is stay healthy. After that, it's $3m for a 2nd pairing guy, and on the open market an average top 4 guy gets $3.5m a year.
I don't anticipate Zetterberg demanding more than what Lidstrom currently makes, so I see them getting that deal done. Should be room for a $3m range salary like Cleary and such.
The cap in 2009-10 will be just shy of $60m, and next year's salary floor will be close to the salary ceiling in 2005-06 (which was $39m).
BTW, next year, the Wings should have room to add a high priced goalie for one year if they want. Khabibulin, Gerber and Roloson are some names that come to mind... both their contracts end after 2008-09 when Zetterberg's extension would kick in. Just something to think about if Hasek retires and Howard isn't ready. |
You're right, here shouldn't be any difficulty with a deal for Zetterberg and hopefully they can keep Cleary too.
The goalie thing is a wait-and-see, but yeah, something to think about.
I'd love to see them get Filppula locked in long-term. He keeps on improving and now he's doing shit with the puck that looks like Datsyuk. He's got shiftiness too; last night he made a nice move to avoid a Duck going for a big hit. He was undressing some of them in the playoffs last year, and did it to Niedermayer a couple of times in that series.
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