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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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can he play the PP?
Brown , Jaffray and Bourdon have been called up for the FLA trip.
the funny thing is , Raymond and Edler ,(esp Edler)are loving this because the rookie dinner is suppose to be saturday night and splitting the bill 5 ways is much easier than if it was Edler by himself lol |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
can he play the PP?
Brown , Jaffray and Bourdon have been called up for the FLA trip.
the funny thing is , Raymond and Edler ,(esp Edler)are loving this because the rookie dinner is suppose to be saturday night and splitting the bill 5 ways is much easier than if it was Edler by himself lol |
That is gonna be one fuck of a fine dinner,I can see the bill topping 10 maybe 15 grand with five guys splitting the bill  Veterans,Those bastards |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I am really looking forward to seeing LB back in the lineup,I am getting sick of watching the shoddy play of both weaver and mckeever,If there is going to be shoddy play than it may as well be our up and coming star defenceman doing the shoddiness |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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The more I hear about stories like this, the more convinced I am that this is Naslund's last season as a Canuck.
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NASLUND ODYSSEY GOES ON
The captain's strange odyssey continued Tuesday in a game that was a microcosm of his season. Naslund played with just about every forward on the team, and on every line, going from the second line to the third to the fourth to the first. He looked confused on the Canucks' confusing second power-play unit. He looked great on the goal he scored with 1:20 left. Naslund was a minus-3 before he scored, a goal that proved he can score when players get him the puck.
VIGNEAULT HAS REPLIES
He was more terse and frustrated than usual in his post-game press conference. When it was said he wasn't getting enough top to bottom, he said: "That's totally wrong." And then he defended his forwards, except for Markus Naslund. On Naslund, he said: "Now we're looking to see what we can try to fix with Markus." Asked if he was running out of answers, he said: "I'm not running out of answers. We're looking for solutions and we're going to keep looking." |
And... http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/sports/story.html?id=5a00eb88-5d3e-49ed-b39e-8b79187b1d50
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The captain suggested the Canucks aren't ready to go at the drop of the puck; the coach, with a hint of indignation, said it's obvious the Canucks are prepared.
What they aren't is a team that comes from behind and on Tuesday the Canucks gave up the first goal for the sixth straight game, losing 4-3 to Dallas.
"That [going ahead early] used to be one of our strengths," Naslund said. "We'd come out flying, especially on home ice. I think it has to do with preparation, not being ready to go. We can talk all we want but we have to do it."
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I'd love to send Naslund to a team that will go deep, if nothing else to give him a better chance while also improving this team, which, as it is presently constituted, would be very lucky to make it to the post season.
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I hear LeBrun suggests swapping Hossa for Edler, Kesler and a pick. Not a bad idea, but I'd hate to part with Edler and Kesler at this (relatively inexpensive) stage of their careers, for a guy who would cost more than both their salaries combined. Then again, something drastic needs to be done... Is Hossa a UFA this summer? Would they accept Naslund and Edler instead? Since they have Tobias Ennstrom, would they even be interested in Edler? 
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Hossa for Edler, Kesler and a pick. Not a bad idea, but I'd hate to part with Edler and Kesler at this (relatively inexpensive) stage of their careers, for a guy who would cost more than both their salaries combined. Then again, something drastic needs to be done... Is Hossa a UFA this summer? Would they accept Naslund and Edler instead? Since they have Tobias Ennstrom, would they even be interested in Edler? |
Yes, he is. That would be the single worst trade in the history of civilization. You don't swap two up-and-coming (and very sought after) core components of your team for a rental.
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Hossa for Edler, Kesler and a pick. Not a bad idea, but I'd hate to part with Edler and Kesler at this (relatively inexpensive) stage of their careers, for a guy who would cost more than both their salaries combined. Then again, something drastic needs to be done... Is Hossa a UFA this summer? Would they accept Naslund and Edler instead? Since they have Tobias Ennstrom, would they even be interested in Edler? |
Yes, he is. That would be the single worst trade in the history of civilization. You don't swap two up-and-coming (and very sought after) core components of your team for a rental. |
I agree with Jyrki whole heartedly,Are you smoking some of the good shit tonight cunning It just doesn't seem right hearing that statement from you  I wouldn,t trade Edler by himself for Hossa,Besides,What makes you so sure that Hossa would even produce under AV's system,I agree we need offence,But not at the expense of the future unless said player is Malkin or somebody young enough to make such a trade worthwhile. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| Tuzer wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Hossa for Edler, Kesler and a pick. Not a bad idea, but I'd hate to part with Edler and Kesler at this (relatively inexpensive) stage of their careers, for a guy who would cost more than both their salaries combined. Then again, something drastic needs to be done... Is Hossa a UFA this summer? Would they accept Naslund and Edler instead? Since they have Tobias Ennstrom, would they even be interested in Edler? |
Yes, he is. That would be the single worst trade in the history of civilization. You don't swap two up-and-coming (and very sought after) core components of your team for a rental. |
I agree with Jyrki whole heartedly,Are you smoking some of the good shit tonight cunning It just doesn't seem right hearing that statement from you I wouldn,t trade Edler by himself for Hossa,Besides,What makes you so sure that Hossa would even produce under AV's system,I agree we need offence,But not at the expense of the future unless said player is Malkin or somebody young enough to make such a trade worthwhile. |
I didn't say I'd do it as LeBrun suggests, just thought that acquiring Hossa if that's possible is not a bad idea.
Well, Hossa is 29 and a UFA this summer... He has more upside than Naslund at 34, and who if they would take him, I would send in a heartbeat but he has an NTC. So clearly, it would take more than just Naslund; I don't think they'd want Edler, given that they have their own in Ennstrom - they already have a Kovalchuk for offence, so perhaps it might require a Kesler, much as I'd hate to part with him. To take the 'rental' edge off, I'd say put a condition on it if it were possible... But sending them Naslund for Hossa would not achieve much for Atlanta, and since they are still in the hunt for first place in the SE, they'd be looking to round out their team. So really, I doubt this happens if Atlanta is still in position to get home ice in the first round by the deadline.
You wouldn't trade Edler for Hossa straight up? I doubt Atlanta would accept that anyway, and i think DN would want to ensure that he'd have Hossa sewn up for the long-term before accepting a trade. Edler is excellent but Hossa is in his prime, averaging better than a point per game in his last three seasons (compared to Naslund who is about 0.8 pts per game, and dropping).
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I guess I wasn't the only one who noticed how poorly Naslund was playing last night: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=12961
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It may be hard to criticize some players, but I’m finding it very difficult to not be critical of Markus Naslund’s play. Last night was easily one of his worst games of the year and some will tell you that is something that is not easily accomplished.
The $6 Million dollar captain, to me, looked like he didn’t even care. It’s not the lack of skating, shots on goal and the poor decisions he seemed to make almost every time he was on the ice that really really bothers me, although obviously no one can be happy with that, but his lack of effort to get off the ice on line changes summed up everything for me.
I wasn’t at the game, so watching on TV you’re only going to see so much of what happens as players head back to the bench during a game, but on 4 occasions I saw Naslund literally just gliding as he headed off the ice, and I’m not talking about the last 15 feet near the bench here. While the play is going on it is your job to get to the bench as fast as you can so your replacement can get on the ice. When your Captain is barely even making any strides from 60 feet away while the opposition is heading up the ice in front of him is clearly unacceptable.
This loss was by no means Naslund’s fault, not even close. However, his total lack of effort was shocking to me. Is he sulking because he’s got no one to play with and hates the defensive system? I dunno, but if he’s going to show what looked to me as complete disdain for putting forth his best, then I’d rather he wasn’t even in the lineup.
Last night was a great opportunity for him, with the the team’s new best player some 4500 miles away, to show that he can be relied upon to help this team win. He failed miserably. Failing at producing is one thing … failing at even trying to produce is a whole different story.
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kylos
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| be critical of the captain but I still say it's shit that the best line mates that can be found are isbister and a rookie with what not even twenty games! Then I look up and he's playing with the 4th line WTF! Nazzy's good but no one has been good enough in the last ten years to make Isbister look good! MOre so thean Nazzy look to the usual suspects Cowan Boneheaded fight and ensuing penalty! Salo still not looking game shape as he hasn't all season screening Sanford. ANd Miller seeing far too much icetime. THe only player you don't see nNAzzy with is the one that makes sense in KEsler! who has by far been the most consistent player this year and shows serious drive to try to keep this team in games! SAlo out for the next game Bah ! so much for the depth on defense! |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| You wouldn't trade Edler for Hossa straight up? |
It may be premature But I think Edler is going to be one of the top ten D-men in the league for years to come,I would hate to part with that,Even for Hossa,Its jmho But I value a top D-man over a prima donna forward everytime  |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| If there's no contract guarantee , then no ... imo , the Canucks arent a Hossa away this season , I support Nonis in not buying into rentals at any cost. Its something to ponder if Hossa would sign a contract , though I admit Im bias in this , Im not a HOssa fan to begin with , he reeks of Yashin. I would make that big package trade for Jokinen , in fact I would add a 1st rd pick for OJ...but not Hossa. Thats just me though. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Ohlund left the team and is in Vancouver for "personal reasons" ... Larschied's tone of voice sounded serious for Ohlund. Out idefinitely. I think something bad happened to his family but thats just pure speculation on my behalf.
correction , Larschied said there's still a chance he might be back for Dallas. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
Ohlund left the team and is in Vancouver for "personal reasons" ... Larschied's tone of voice sounded serious for Ohlund. Out idefinitely. I think something bad happened to his family but thats just pure speculation on my behalf.
correction , Larschied said there's still a chance he might be back for Dallas. |
Lordy, can you imagine if both Öhlund and Miller are out? That would leave the Canucks with Edler as their most seasoned defensemen.
Seriously, anyone blaming this tailspin on "effort" (mroe an HFBoards thing) needs a clue, big-time.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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So the other night against FLA, the defence included Ohlund, Miller, Edler, Weaver, Bourdon and McIver.
On October 5, against SJ, it included Ohlund, BXA, Miller, Krajicek, Mitchell and Weaver. Had Salo been healthy, Weaver wouldn't have been in the lineup on opening night...
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nonis says he expects Miller to play , he took a shot off the foot and its swollen but nothing serious (thn again , they said Krajicek wasnt too serious either and he's in Vancouver getting more test done)
and since nobody is being called up just yet , I think Salo is expected to play too. Nonis said the next guy in line to be called up for D is Fitzgerald ( not to be confused with Fitzpatrick)
For Ohlund's situation , its serious enough for him to leave immediately but not seriousness enough for Nonis and Larschied to hope there's a outside chance he'll be back for the game. Maybe his wife found his porn stash. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| Maybe his wife found his porn stash. |
I wonder what would be worse... if she found his porn stash, or his porn 'stache?
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| Maybe his wife found his porn stash. |
I wonder what would be worse... if she found his porn stash, or his porn 'stache? |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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In the spirit of "it could be worse," as promised, here are your 1970-71 Vancouver Canucks! (Except for Dale Tallon, who I already posted):
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| man , look at Pat Quinn's hockey pants , those are friggen spandex shorts! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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They called up Zach Fitzgerald D.
Now , if Zach ever gets into an NHL game and plays one shift , in terms of who won that big trade with St.Louis Blues , Fitzgerald for Francois Pierre Guennette .... we win!!!! |
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