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Stinky
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 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: Ryder on the way out? |
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Sratched yesterday with an empty locker - rumblings around the net say something's up.
So who thinks he's a hab by the end of the week?
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Where's this empty locker stuff coming from?
Quite simply, I hope he is gone. I think we're better with him scratched and with Dandy and Begin and Kostopolous all playing instead. But I'd still like to improve on RW (or at C and move Lapierre or Smolinski to RW) if we do move him and pick up a different player.
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13utchy
Now with 30% more rage!
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Yes, isn't the kid a UFA anyway?
Save yesterday's debackle (or however that's spelled  ), Habs could be doing some damage in the playoffs this year 
Still, they need to add Todd Simpson if this club hopes for continued success.
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E.L.3000
Big in Japan
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I haven't heard anything about an empty locker, although the scratch yesterday seemed pretty significant.
He had been working hard the past few weeks, and that still wasn't good enough. I just don't know if he has any value that makes him worth trading. We need to add a forward, so does dealing Ryder in any capacity help us do that? Not so sure.
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| 2 Girls, 1 E.L., 1 Cup wrote: |
I haven't heard anything about an empty locker, although the scratch yesterday seemed pretty significant.
He had been working hard the past few weeks, and that still wasn't good enough. I just don't know if he has any value that makes him worth trading. We need to add a forward, so does dealing Ryder in any capacity help us do that? Not so sure. |
Out of the 23 skaters we have on our roster, he's the one I think least helps us come post-season. So if we add another, and don't take away any of the other 22+ guys on our roster that are more helpful to a playoff run for us, than I say why not?
I know what you're getting at in theory, but frankly I don't think it's really worth anything to us to keep around a disgruntled $3m man. If injuries hit us so badly that dressing Ryder looks like a good option, than quite frankly we're screwed anyways.
The only lineup option I hate more than dressing Ryder is the one that dresses Breezy when we have 6 capable d-men to dress ahead of him. But as a player, I like having Breezy around more because in case of injuries, I think he's a decent enough option.
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E.L.3000
Big in Japan
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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What could happen is we deal Ryder, get snakebitten adding a rental, and we end up calling up Kyle Chipchura. So would we prefer having Chipchura as our 13th man or Ryder?
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| 2 Girls, 1 E.L., 1 Cup wrote: |
| What could happen is we deal Ryder, get snakebitten adding a rental, and we end up calling up Kyle Chipchura. So would we prefer having Chipchura as our 13th man or Ryder? |
I guess the thing is, if we have a deal for a rental on the table, make sure it's done and kind of do both moves simultaneously.
But frankly, I am more comfortable with Chip come playoff time than Ryder. But I think the idea behind moving Ryder is replacing him with a guy that can contribute on an everyday basis. Guys in Hamilton like Chipchura, Grabovski, Locke, etc. are at this point the last option, but the theory is we have 1 or 2 other players ahead of them before they become those options.
To me, we need another scoring line option. Ryder hasn't provided us with that. At this point, we have 7 scoring line option players. I'd like 8 to give us a bit of a buffer... have 3 lines that can score (and therefore, 4 as it becomes easier for both bottom lines to score in such a scenario) when all are healthy, and if injuries hit, a chance to do the old 2-2 setup.
In theory, Streit almost gives us another option for a scoring forward should injuries hit as well.
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Bell Centre Ghost
Haunting the Bell Centre since 2005
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Guelph
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I'd like to see a deal centering around Ryder for Stoll. I think they're both UFAs and both are underachieving. Mtl would probably have to add to the mix, but Stoll would help out Gainey's identified need of help with faceoffs.
EDIT - just read that E.L. already mentioned Stoll. So I second that!
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like to see a deal centering around Ryder for Stoll. I think they're both UFAs and both are underachieving. Mtl would probably have to add to the mix, but Stoll would help out Gainey's identified need of help with faceoffs.
EDIT - just read that E.L. already mentioned Stoll. So I second that! |
Stoll's a RFA, so I don't see a deal around those two. I still want Stoll, though. I really think he'd be a help both this year and next. Plus, without Murray, we're sorely lacking in the saskhab department.
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E.L.3000
Big in Japan
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Fuck tha MTL police
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With Horcoff gone for the year, the Oil may be more inclined to deal anyone who doesn't figure prominently in their 2009 plans. Then again if I were them I wouldn't deal Stoll unless I get a young player and a draft pick back, and I'm not sure Gainey would be interested in that.
Interesting note: Kevin Lowe did trade for Denis Grebeshkov, who was playing in Europe/Russia at the time. Perhaps he would be willing to give Perezhogin 2M a season. Paris Hilton has what it takes physically and skill-wise to be a top-6 forward in this league, all he needs is a patient team to let him get comfortable playing the NHL game.
I posted a list of other right-handed shots in another thread, here is said post:
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Ales Kotalik : Buffalo is struggling, his name has been mentioned before as a potential odd man out in Buffalo
Jason Pominville : His numbers look decent on a horrid Buffalo squad. He's a bit soft and has a rather crummy contract
Jarret Stoll : Really struggling in Edmonton and also looking like an odd man out. Known primarily as a centre and more for his physical play than his offensive ability, but we don't have too many of his player types on our team
Trent Hunter : Was a rookie the same year as Ryder, similarly plateaued offensively. Not sure if he's a Nolan guy, and is arguably better without the puck than Ryder
Robert Lang : A centre, I know, but he might fit with the team as a rental. He might like the atmosphere with Kovy and Hamrlik as leaders/mentors
Petr Prucha : Mostly plays on the left side, not sure why the Rags would trade him for such little value. He's their Ryder
Ryan Kesler : Not looking like an offensive force for the Nucks, I like his upside as a 25 goal scorer/banger and solid two-way play
Nikolai Zherdev : He's playing well now in C-Bus; don't see him being available
Mark Parrish , Bill Guerin : vets who are probably useful to their playoff-bound teams
I'm guessing Cheechoo isn't up for grabs, and if he is - pounce.
The two names I could see the Habs inquiring about are Fedorov (if he gets healthy) and (believe it or not) Brad fuckin' Richards. If Tampa is last in the East with no hope of getting out of the cellar, and has no owner and an unsure budget, if I were Feaster I'd be ready to listen. No doubt he would ask for Price initially. |
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saskhab
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Yeah, I saw that post, the one question I have is... how is Pominville's contract at all crummy? $1.033m cap hit for this year and next. He's 24 right now, and would be part of our RFA class of 2009 (Plekanec, Higgins, and Latendresse the key RFAs currently for that year).
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E.L.3000
Big in Japan
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| saskhab wrote: |
| Yeah, I saw that post, the one question I have is... how is Pominville's contract at all crummy? |
Yeah, I mixed up the Pominville and Hecht contracts.
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Bell Centre Ghost
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Perezhogin crossed my mind - and with some precedence, that would add some options to the mix. Ryder could substitute for the draft pick since Mtl's is likely to be pretty low. So what it looks like to me is Ryder, rights to Perez and a prospect for an underachieving RFA Stoll. If the Oil rid themselves of rolo, Halak (who the Habs are fuckin' with) and two low tier center prospects, e.g. locke/maxwell and russell may seal a deal.
EDM
optics - check
possible replacement - check
stability at the most important position - check
greater potential to win the trade - check
MTL
Helps team - check
Maintains NHL depth to team- check
Bulldogs suck - check
Keeps draft picks - check
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Bell Centre Ghost
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I should be a GM, 
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Hounsy
Reigning King of One-Liners
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Sundin is a right hand shot.
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Stinky
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Sundin is a right hand shot.
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You can't have any of the titty boys... or higgins... and why would you need our youth when you have stajan, steen and welwood who are clearly better than anyone on the habs roster...
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E.L.3000
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Dany Dube says Tanguay for Ryder and O'Byrne could be a done deal pending physicals, according to something he picked up in the Calgary Herald.
DD is one of the best in the biz, but no one else has referenced this supposed factoid and I do remember some bored message board jockeys making up some talk about a source out of Calgary. Dube wouldn't spout off nonsense, so I'm inclined to believe he read this rumour in the Herald with his own eyes (he doesn't suggest he knows anything, so it's nothing but speculation at this point).
He says there is something a-brewin', so continue to hold your breath.
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Stinky
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| 2 Girls, 1 E.L., 1 Cup wrote: |
Dany Dube says Tanguay for Ryder and O'Byrne could be a done deal pending physicals, according to something he picked up in the Calgary Herald.
DD is one of the best in the biz, but no one else has referenced this supposed factoid and I do remember some bored message board jockeys making up some talk about a source out of Calgary. Dube wouldn't spout off nonsense, so I'm inclined to believe he read this rumour in the Herald with his own eyes (he doesn't suggest he knows anything, so it's nothing but speculation at this point).
He says there is something a-brewin', so continue to hold your breath. |
I like that deal but last night really showed how thin our d gets after hammertime.
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saskhab
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I still don't think Tanguay instantly clicks with Saku. We're better off finding a 3rd centre that can be a threat offensively than another fancy winger.
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Stinky
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| I still don't think Tanguay instantly clicks with Saku. We're better off finding a 3rd centre that can be a threat offensively than another fancy winger. |
at this point in his career, I would say that Saku is that third line centre...
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