 |
 |
Offthepost (Generation II)
ATTENTION: OFFTHEPOST.NET NO LONGER EXISTS AS A URL. The old site had to be closed. Please reset your bookmarks!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Victoria bc
|
 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Oz wrote: |
| freakydave wrote: |
Apparently the Canucks are done trading & if that's the case i'm stunned.
Great another 3rd line LW on a team needing a RW & centre!!!
I am glad Cooke's gone but...
WTF |
Is this your speculation or someone else |
per tsn |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oz
Kangaroos and Didgeridoos
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 140
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Thanks...bloody hell, we have the cap room and some decent prospects and can't do anything.... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
US679 Part Deux
An improvement over the US678 prototype
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 576
Location: Milton, Ontario
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Oz wrote: |
| Thanks...bloody hell, we have the cap room and some decent prospects and can't do anything.... |
I hear you....Fucking Habs.. 
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Victoria bc
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Oz wrote: |
| Thanks...bloody hell, we have the cap room and some decent prospects and can't do anything.... |
I've seen enough of Nonis  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oz
Kangaroos and Didgeridoos
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 140
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| If it weren't for the Lui deal he'd be gone at the end of this year, but I think that will save him for now. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1972
Location: Ottawa, ON
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Seriously, what should Nonis have done? Traded all the team's top prospects for Hossa? Gotten Brad Stuart to be a #6 D? He tried his best on Richards.
This is tiny supply versus heavy demand. There wasn't much that could be done. Another player wasn't going to make a huge difference in the Canucks' fortunes -- their fate is tied to how inhumanly Luongo can play in the playoffs.
_________________
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1897
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
If you stop and consider for a moment, that really, only the Avs made significant moves in the NW division, and they are on the bubble right now; Calgary, Minnesota, Vancouver and Edmonton didn't make any moves that significantly improved or weakened their lineups. And even then, the Avs picked up a 36 year old veteran defenceman in Foote (Miller), a 33 year old defenceman in Salei (I'd say he's an older BXA, or younger Miller), and a 34 year old Forsberg with foot issues. Right now, everyone is competing to get that #3 seed spot for home ice advantage in the first round and avoid a first round road date with Detroit or Dallas. And that hasn't changed. In essence, the Avs made moves to catch up (defensively) with the rest of the NW.
I think DN did okay; he tried like hell to get Richards; Feaster and co. believe that getting a starting goalie was more critical than getting the prospects that DN was offering. I don't think Hossa was a serious consideration given his UFA status; Havlat is too fragile; OJ would have been too expensive to pry out of FL, never mind the p.r. nightmare that might happen if FL traded another of its key players to Vancouver again.
As for other possible moves, injuries have really tied his hands: BMo is out until mid-March; Miller is out and Krajicek just had surgery; these are really the only tradeable FAs he could have to work with. They need to hold onto whatever scoring they can get, so trading away Naslund is a non-starter, especially as he has an NTC. His only tradeable assets are his prospects (Bourdon, Schneider, Price, Grabner, etc.) and unless you can get someone on a long-term contract, it makes no sense to give up on these guys (especially Bourdon and to a lesser extent, Schneider). No, I think DN had his sights focused on Richards, despite his $7.8M contract; he's a guy who you can build around. And to pry OJ out of FL might have far cost too much.
The market will be much larger in the FA summer shopping season. And that may be where he'll need to replace Naslund and BMo.
_________________
... Because the old one, is well, old.
  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1897
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
I am ready for the next 24+ hours
hand cream - check
clinex tissue - check
live Black Cod from TNT market - check
picture of Razz in grade 9 - check
lets roll!..... |
So, was it good for you? 
You should have known you'd be disappointed when you brought up that picture of razz in 9th grade...
_________________
... Because the old one, is well, old.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2300
Location: Denver
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Still a bit too early to pass judgment on Nonis IMO. Next year he will have the cap room to make an impact. If he falls on his face the next two seasons, then I agree, sack him. Right now though he has limited cap room and he's in the process of rebuilding a sub-par prospect base.
In order to get a significant return IMO you would have had to part with any one of Bieksa, Bourdon, or Edler...otherwise throwing names like Raymond, Shannon, or Grabner ain't gettin' you diddly. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1114
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| was I disappointed ? yes . Am I furious or frustrated? no. For eg if Cgy and Minny made deals and/or made deals I felt Van could beat I would be angry but it was a slow week in the NHL overall. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 940
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| freakydave wrote: |
| Oz wrote: |
| Thanks...bloody hell, we have the cap room and some decent prospects and can't do anything.... |
I've seen enough of Nonis |
I don't know Freaky,I think Nonis did the best thing he could've done,(nothing)Now he can wait for the off season and pick up a guy like Hossa for nothing,This team has good young prospects for the first time( imo) EVER,It would've really sucked to see them moved for a rental or even a Richards just so we could bomb in the playoffs and then see them prosper elsewhere,I think most of us here got caught up in the sexiness of picking up a player like Richards and when it didn't happen,We felt let down.In reality this team is still rebuilding and shouldn't risk it all quite yet.Besides Freaky,We're going to win the cup this year anyway and MayRay will make everyone forget all about Richards  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oz
Kangaroos and Didgeridoos
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 140
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| my problem with trying to upgrade via free agency is you end up in a bidding war for any of the big names, and what are the big names going to be this offseason anyway? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oz
Kangaroos and Didgeridoos
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 140
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| So has Nonis addressed the press yet? I'm curious if he went after anyone else - like Havlat maybe and what the asking price was |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 940
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Oz wrote: |
| my problem with trying to upgrade via free agency is you end up in a bidding war for any of the big names, and what are the big names going to be this offseason anyway? |
Isn't that the same as the Trade deadline? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 940
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1897
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Well, as Jyrki alluded to earlier, at this trade deadline, there were 5 sellers and about 25 buyers... During the summer, every team will have UFAs to unload and it won't cost the Canucks picks, roster players or prospects... Just cap room. Yes, you get in a bidding war, but only for the upper tier / elite players like Hossa, or Forsberg, or Selanne.
_________________
... Because the old one, is well, old.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 174
Location: Victoria bc
|
| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Av-merican wrote: |
Still a bit too early to pass judgment on Nonis IMO. Next year he will have the cap room to make an impact. If he falls on his face the next two seasons, then I agree, sack him. Right now though he has limited cap room and he's in the process of rebuilding a sub-par prospect base.
In order to get a significant return IMO you would have had to part with any one of Bieksa, Bourdon, or Edler...otherwise throwing names like Raymond, Shannon, or Grabner ain't gettin' you diddly. |
Trading 1 3rd liner for another is making a trade for the sake of making a trade.
While you may be content to give Nonis the length of Luongo's contract to make good ,I sincerely hope the owner won't.Winning the division & then missing playoffs the following season should not be acceptable,especially when he has cap space available.Richards would've have been great but failing that you are telling me he couldn't get any right handed shot from anywhere?I don't believe it!!!
Look he played it safe,that's fine as long as they make the playoffs.
_________________
Oct 7 4:29pm Hockey - Pending 20.00 to win 330.00
1. Hockey Futures - 2009 NHL Futures
Western Conference
Vancouver Canucks (+1650) [pending] |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1897
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
| freakydave wrote: |
| Av-merican wrote: |
Still a bit too early to pass judgment on Nonis IMO. Next year he will have the cap room to make an impact. If he falls on his face the next two seasons, then I agree, sack him. Right now though he has limited cap room and he's in the process of rebuilding a sub-par prospect base.
In order to get a significant return IMO you would have had to part with any one of Bieksa, Bourdon, or Edler...otherwise throwing names like Raymond, Shannon, or Grabner ain't gettin' you diddly. |
Trading 1 3rd liner for another is making a trade for the sake of making a trade.
While you may be content to give Nonis the length of Luongo's contract to make good ,I sincerely hope the owner won't.Winning the division & then missing playoffs the following season should not be acceptable,especially when he has cap space available.Richards would've have been great but failing that you are telling me he couldn't get any right handed shot from anywhere?I don't believe it!!! |
Who do you think he could have acquired and for how much?
_________________
... Because the old one, is well, old.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Posts: 100
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Listening to Cooke he wasn't happy playing under AV and would have left for nothing through Free Agency so getting any return from him is a good move. I Mo wasn't hurt I would have expected him to be moved as well. DN offerd packages for the big guys available and was rejected not his fault that Feaster or Waddell thought they had better deals else where. We're in a position as well of getting some of our guys healthy so getting BXA back is like acquiring a top 4 d-mann and Mo will be back soon which is like picking up that top 6 forward. I know we need another scoring winger but hey I'd rather see MayRay and Shannon get some experience and be looking forward to playing next year in that role. Not acquiring Richards leaves us with a tonne of cap room this upcoming Offseason and leaves room for some really good signings instead of the constant reclammation projects we've seen for the last few years. Demanding DN's head at this point is jumping the gun he's building the team the way it needs to be done in the "new NHL". |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1897
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
|
| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
Looking at who might be available, there are some intriguing names that could be available - of course, heading that list are Naslund, BMo, Miller (better the UFAs you know), but also Langkow, Huselius, Sakic (yeah, right), Demitra, Rolston, Shanahan, Sundin, and Federov, not to mention non-UFAs that may be available through trade (Havlat? Lang?). As long as Burrows and Kesler continue their magic, with Isbister continuing to improve and perhaps Pettinger growing into that role, Cooke will hardly be missed.
_________________
... Because the old one, is well, old.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
