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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Denver
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 Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: OFFICIAL GAMEDAY THREAD: Heavy Petting(er) |
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I suppose "Lovely Peter, Meter Maid" would have been worse.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=231202&hubname=
So will he or won't he? I'm betting not, but I guess we'll find out come gametime.
Avs have lost Marek Svatos (ACL) for the season and don't know if or when Ryan Smyth will return. He practiced at LW with Sakic and Hejduk.
Avs need this win to cling onto this very tenuous playoff spot. Let's hope they come out swinging. Even without Smyth and Svatos and a shaky-at-best Forsberg, they still have enough talent on this team to make the postseason. |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL GAMEDAY THREAD: Heavy Petting(er) |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
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Avs need this win to cling onto this very tenuous playoff spot. Let's hope they come out swinging. Even without Smyth and Svatos and a shaky-at-best Forsberg, they still have enough talent on this team to make the postseason. |
With the kind of game the Nucks have been bringing lately,The Avs shouldn't have much of a problem tonight,5-1 for the 'lanche.  |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'm guessing tonight is the night that Forsberg makes his debut... And he starts out with a flourish and gets four points...
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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I kid you not, just earlier today I was thinking that Pettinger's nickname should be "heavy". 
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
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Location: Denver
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Just got the Avalanche Alert e-mail dropped in not a minute ago.
It's official, Floppa is a GO!!!! |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Like clockwork, this from Sportsnet.ca: "Peter Forsberg will make his season debut for Colorado against Vancouver."
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
Just got the Avalanche Alert e-mail dropped in not a minute ago.
It's official, Floppa is a GO!!!! |
Where's Cookie when you need him??  |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Am I reading that MayRay is a healthy scratch? WTF?
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Am I reading that MayRay is a healthy scratch? WTF? |
If that is true than it is time to fire AV,This guy finds something good and then he fucks with it,This team needs someone with some semblance of consistency not someone who changes the lineup and line combinations daily just to satisfy some sick need to fuck with everything whether it works or not. IDIOT!! |
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Captain Chaos
(Formerly Lieutenant Chaos)
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
Just got the Avalanche Alert e-mail dropped in not a minute ago.
It's official, Floppa is a GO!!!! |
Hopefully his foot stays on. 
You're going down Turnips. |
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Captain Chaos
(Formerly Lieutenant Chaos)
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Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| To say that I find this discouraging would be an understatement. |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Way to go AV,Look at all that extra offence  |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
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Location: Denver
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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A much-needed win, especially since the fucking Oilers managed to lose big to the Preds tonight.
I thought the Avs thoroughly dominated in the first few minutes, except for Sauer getting DROPPED by Pyatt behind the Avs net Colorado looked completely in control. Avs power play looked much better than before but still needs a ton of work. Oh and Q needs to STOP the collapsing box system on the PK, it doesn't work. David Jones was the newest callup and played well on a line with Arnie and McLeod. Wolski looked better, taking advantage of the injuries to get the hell out of the press box and make a difference. And this season's #1 goat John-Michael Liles got the game-winner the way he used to get them, a great, perfectly-aimed rifle from the point.
Forsberg looked good, but a mere shell of his former self. He was definitely avoiding contact in the first but settled in nicely. It was obvious Sakic and Hejduk were far more relaxed with him out there, the chemistry between the three was just ridiculous.
On the Canucks side of things, Heavy was a far greater factor this time than he was before, Washington's going to regret that trade. Luongo was solid as usual, but I'll admit that Nonis perhaps should have done more to try and bolster his offense. Too many times the Canucks created scoring opportunities and just couldn't put the puck in.
Impressed with the physicality in this game overall. Edler is beginning to really round out as a D-man, much more physical than his rep would have me believe. |
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Location: Rollin down the street
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| I kid you not, just earlier today I was thinking that Pettinger's nickname should be "heavy". |
Hey Jyrki21,
Did the Nux defencive play cost us another game today?
Or was it the lack of offence?
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| freakydave wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| I kid you not, just earlier today I was thinking that Pettinger's nickname should be "heavy". |
Hey Jyrki21,
Did the Nux defencive play cost us another game today?
Or was it the lack of offence? |
This one was clearly offense. (Well I didn't see it, if they never got possession that would also be a defensive issue, but I'm guessing it was more offensive ineptitude). But to say that they always lose -- or even most of the time -- because of their offense isn't accurate, as they are built under a capped system as a defensive team, and that's supposed to be their strength. They obviously don't have a ton of offensive talent. But when you break down the numbers (as I did on HFBoards) you see that in games they've lost, the defense has slipped more below its average than the offense has. The team is built to win games despite not scoring goals. It would be nice if they could do both, but since they can't, you have to hope that they can win on their strength.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| freakydave wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| I kid you not, just earlier today I was thinking that Pettinger's nickname should be "heavy". |
Hey Jyrki21,
Did the Nux defencive play cost us another game today?
Or was it the lack of offence? |
I'd say it was a little of both... How the heck do you let Stastny skate in all alone, unmolested from the blue line in, while not one but two defencemen take out one forward to Luongo's left?  On the winning goal, it was really bad luck from what I could see - shot from the point pinballs through everyone and into the net. Other than that, I think defensively, this team played well enough to win. I love what Pyatt does when he gets physical, but other than that one hit in the first, he really didn't get much of anything going with the Sedins - they need more finish on that line, preferably someone who shoots right. I saw nothing else that would indicate this team got any kind of push since the trade deadline; it almost seems as if the entire team expected to see some big things, didn't, and have been in a funk ever since. I hope this is a case of the team flu going around because they really looked toothless last night.
I'd like DN to make a hard run at Georges Laracque this summer; 6'3" 250 lbs. and shoots right - the kind of beast we haven't had since Bertuzzi was upgraded. He doesn't necessarily have the finish of a Bertuzzi but paired up with the Sedins, he could create far more room while also keeping the more physical defencemen tied up - a presence like that in front of Theodore would have tied up Hannan or Foote and given the Sedins more room to operate - as it was, the Avs were very successful in keeping them to the outside and basically outmuscling them along the boards. And Laracque could be the designated enforcer should anyone take a run at Luongo, which I've seen far too many times this season - given their fragility and their importance on defence, we can't really afford to have Mitchell, Ohlund, or BXA do that anymore.
I agree with Av that it was cool to see Sakic, Hejduk and Forsberg together again and doing their thing. Mad skills even now, and they had Vancouver scrambling to backcheck whenever they crossed the center line.
By the time BMo comes back, it will be too late to make a difference; I really have my doubts whether this team will make the cut, even at the #8 spot. These last four games were so critical to their playoff hopes and they get - what - two points out of a possible eight?
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| This one was clearly offense. (Well I didn't see it, if they never got possession that would also be a defensive issue, but I'm guessing it was more offensive ineptitude). |
Last night, it looked to me a case of great scouting and forechecking by the Avs - the Canucks were chasing the puck all night, and when they did have it in the offensive zone, the Avs closed on the puck carrier very quickly - the Sedins had no room whatsoever to operate, even on the PP. The Avs forced Vancouver to dump and chase all night and without the speed guys (why did they sit MayRay over Cowan? ) they never had possession for very long.
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| But to say that they always lose -- or even most of the time -- because of their offense isn't accurate, as they are built under a capped system as a defensive team, and that's supposed to be their strength. They obviously don't have a ton of offensive talent. But when you break down the numbers (as I did on HFBoards) you see that in games they've lost, the defense has slipped more below its average than the offense has. The team is built to win games despite not scoring goals. It would be nice if they could do both, but since they can't, you have to hope that they can win on their strength. |
I can't say Luongo or the defence was to blame last night; if you can keep the Avs to two goals, that should give you a chance to win. But offensively, I saw no spark at all all night. Even with the defencemen pinching, the Canucks still didn't have possession for very long - Foote, Salei, Hannan et al did an excellent job of shutting down anyone in a white uniform.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| I can't say Luongo or the defence was to blame last night; if you can keep the Avs to two goals, that should give you a chance to win. |
Neither am I. I'm talking on aggregate since the beginning of the season. Here are my charts if you're curious.
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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You honestly think Laraque should play on a top line?
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| I can't say Luongo or the defence was to blame last night; if you can keep the Avs to two goals, that should give you a chance to win. |
Neither am I. I'm talking on aggregate since the beginning of the season. Here are my charts if you're curious. |
Interesting and impressive, yet very geeky. 
I think the point about EN goals should be considered. It appears to have some face validity; however, I'd be interested to see this analysis done using another team's data. My gut tells me that the difference between this team and last year's team has been i) relative ineptitude on the PK (aka the 'Josh Green effect'); and ii) injuries among the d, but I haven't done any kind of comparison. Perhaps that's another place to consider - how this kind of analysis compares to last year's team.
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