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Bosc Ulrich II
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Ken Campbell's GM rankings |
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| Razzyboy won't be pleased with who's on top. |
There was a 29/30 chance that that'd be true, regardless.
I think Burke is one of the best, but his stubbornness and refusal to address the goaltending dilemma in Vancouver, to me, means he probably can't be the best. I thyink he's done an excellent job in Anaheim, but I can't argue with Razz that a lot of it fell into his lap, too.
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| Not getting Brad Richards at the deadline was bad enough, but not getting him because Nonis was unwilling to part with Ryan Kesler and Alex Edler borders on inexcusable. |
Do they still not get the Tampa-wanted-a-goalie thing? (Not that I would necessarily give up that package for Richard$ anyway).
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ken Campbell's GM rankings |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
I think Burke is one of the best, but his stubbornness and refusal to address the goaltending dilemma in Vancouver, to me, means he probably can't be the best. I thyink he's done an excellent job in Anaheim, but I can't argue with Razz that a lot of it fell into his lap, too.
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He's certainly done on excellent job in turning around Vancouver and Anaheim financially and (related) in attendance.
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Denver
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| Much as I too despise Burkey it's hard to argue these rankings. IMO they're pretty much spot-on at first read. |
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saskhab
Morally Bankrupt Scum
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2515
Location: Saskatoon!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Ken Campbell's GM rankings |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Do they still not get the Dallas-wanted-a-goalie thing? (Not that I would necessarily give up that package for Richard$ anyway). |
They obviously don't factor the incompetence of Feaster into the equation enough, either. Though they did rank Feaster 30th, and very deservedly so. Feaster's demands were incredibly illogical... and it's just fitting, sad and hilarious all at the same that Tortorella hasn't taken to Smith, either. It's like all of Feaster's problems wrapped up in one acquisition. That trade was more about Tampa's incompetence than Dallas' genius, or Vancouver or Columbus' tenativeness.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Ken Campbell's GM rankings |
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| saskhab wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Do they still not get the Dallas-wanted-a-goalie thing? (Not that I would necessarily give up that package for Richard$ anyway). |
They obviously don't factor the incompetence of Feaster into the equation enough, either. Though they did rank Feaster 30th, and very deservedly so. Feaster's demands were incredibly illogical... and it's just fitting, sad and hilarious all at the same that Tortorella hasn't taken to Smith, either. It's like all of Feaster's problems wrapped up in one acquisition. That trade was more about Tampa's incompetence than Dallas' genius, or Vancouver or Columbus' tenativeness. |
I haven't heard anything about Smith and Tortorella...what's the story there?
Feaster was looking pretty good before the lockout. His bad drafting record is getting exposed though, as is their scouting and inability to deal with the budget imposed by ownership...
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Av-merican
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| Rick Dudley deserves some blame for that mess. He screwed up drafting for both Florida franchises. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Oops, I obviously meant that Tampa wanted a goalie, not Dallas, but, well, you all got that.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Burke is a master opportunist, nothing more. He's incompetent in many respects; drafting being the main one. Look at the useless crap Vancouver calls their "prospects"; that's Burke's fault, not Nonis'.
Keenan brought in Bertuzzi. Keenan didn't have the benefit of Pavel Bure due to a holdout. Quinn brought in Naslund. Quinn drafted Ohlund. Burke rode the developing horses he was handed on a silver platter, and SURPRISE - people started coming and spending money when those studs developed...
All he did was let the franchise rot in the goalie cesspool that was Dan Cloutier...
There's a certain parallel with the situation in Anaheim.
Burke is an idiotic blowhard, nothing more... |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: Ken Campbell's GM rankings |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| Razzyboy won't be pleased with who's on top. |
There was a 29/30 chance that that'd be true, regardless.
I think Burke is one of the best, but his stubbornness and refusal to address the goaltending dilemma in Vancouver, to me, means he probably can't be the best. I thyink he's done an excellent job in Anaheim, but I can't argue with Razz that a lot of it fell into his lap, too.
As for this comment about Nonis:
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| Not getting Brad Richards at the deadline was bad enough, but not getting him because Nonis was unwilling to part with Ryan Kesler and Alex Edler borders on inexcusable. |
Do they still not get the Tampa-wanted-a-goalie thing? (Not that I would necessarily give up that package for Richard$ anyway). |
I agree in part Jyrki, but on the other hand Corey Schnieder has infinitely more value to the Canucks as a trade part than as a warm body... And I still think Canuck fans overrate Edler, just like they overrated Bieksa last year... |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Ken Campbell's GM rankings |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| Razzyboy won't be pleased with who's on top. |
There was a 29/30 chance that that'd be true, regardless.
I think Burke is one of the best, but his stubbornness and refusal to address the goaltending dilemma in Vancouver, to me, means he probably can't be the best. I thyink he's done an excellent job in Anaheim, but I can't argue with Razz that a lot of it fell into his lap, too.
As for this comment about Nonis:
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| Not getting Brad Richards at the deadline was bad enough, but not getting him because Nonis was unwilling to part with Ryan Kesler and Alex Edler borders on inexcusable. |
Do they still not get the Tampa-wanted-a-goalie thing? (Not that I would necessarily give up that package for Richard$ anyway). |
I agree in part Jyrki, but on the other hand Corey Schnieder has infinitely more value to the Canucks as a trade part than as a warm body... And I still think Canuck fans overrate Edler, just like they overrated Bieksa last year... |
Or just like Bruins fans overrate Wideman for that matter or Stuart  |
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razzmatazz
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| Wideman is criminally underrated... 11 goals my friend, on a team that stresses DDDDDDDFENCE first... |
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saskhab
Morally Bankrupt Scum
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Wideman is criminally underrated... 11 goals my friend, on a team that stresses DDDDDDDFENCE first... |
Hey, for once you're underrating him. He's got 12 goals.
8 are PP goals, so that doesn't mean he's a weirdo or something on Julien's "no offence is the best defence" philosophy, but hey, it's a good year.
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Wideman is criminally underrated... 11 goals my friend, on a team that stresses DDDDDDDFENCE first... |
Wideman
13g 23a 36 pts
BXA 06/07
11g 29a 40 pts on a team that played defence first.
Furthermore boston scored 212 goals while giving up 222
Vancouver scored 213 goals while giving 215
Enjoy being swept by the evil HABS your team earned it.
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