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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: Post Season Mortem/Rant thread |
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While we are hot and fresh...
What do you think went wrong ?
What do you think needs to be done?
Whats going through your mind today?
go for it!... |
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kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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I said a lot of what I wanted to say the other day. I still don't get why they'd call up Hansen with a need for scoring and then not dress him! Why oh why are Ritchie Cowan Isbister and Rypien all dressed in a game where we need to score? AV needs help he needs an assistant coach who can run a PP and the offense. He and his crew obviously have no idea wtf they are doing in this aspect of the game.
If Nazzy wears the C next year I will not be a part of it!
This is the off season where Nonis will keep or lose his job. he needs to address the scoring issues and next year if they want to keep Luongo they need to make a push in the playoffs because the odds of him staying to be a barely playoff team or not at all are nil.
What a shitty way for Trev to go out he and Kesler and Burrows were the only player who seemed to really give a shit last nite!
Somebody please for the love of the game light a fire under the twins asses. I strongly question the leadership of this team for the last few months. Nobody was coming out or stepping up and taking the reigns. I'm curious to see what stories come out about the locker room in the next few weeks cause there is obviously a division in there someplace!
Acquisitions I would like to see Nonis go after number one is Ryan Malone UFA this year looking for a good pay increase brings a little of everything to the table. Huselius would be the other guy I'd go for he's played with Luongo before and lockerroom chemistry is always an issue bringing in new guys. |
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
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Nonis did not get the right personell.AV is not a good offensive coach.
Heads must roll. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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For once I'll try to be constructive:
1) Your big ticket items need to earn their dough. None of Naslund, Morrison, or Luongo came close to earning their keep this year. God knows what "issues" Luongo was referring to in the papers, but the other two never got out of the gate. That's over 15 million in inefficient use of cap space. No one can win with that.
2) The defense is borderline old, slow, and overrated. There is no legitimate #1 blueliner. There is no speedy blueliner. 3.5 million was tied up in an obviously brittle Sami Salo. Bieksa is not as good as he seemed last year, and Edler tailed off for a similar reason - they are fine in their limited role, but not so much when given tougher assignments. One or the other may rebound this year, but this was hardly a stellar unit.
3) To win in the cap era you need young talent performing at a higher level than their entry level contracts would suggest. Anaheim last year was a clear example of this.
Vancouver is completely void of young talent up front. One by one their "prospects" were brought up - not one performed in any way that would suggest great things to come. Similarly, players like Mike Weaver and Nathan McIver are hardly blossoming blueliners.
In short, when injuries hit, this team had zero depth to turn to.
4) AV succeeded last year by motivating. The team was actually playing like shit, but his gigglefest seemed to snap the team out of its coma and they finished the year on fire.
That motivational approach generally works short term, for one year, but not long term. He had no such luck this year. The warning signs were all there last year before the gigglefest, but the fans didn't notice it, and management did nothing to address it. |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
For once I'll try to be constructive:
1) Your big ticket items need to earn their dough. None of Naslund, Morrison, or Luongo came close to earning their keep this year. God knows what "issues" Luongo was referring to in the papers, but the other two never got out of the gate. That's over 15 million in inefficient use of cap space. No one can win with that.
2) The defense is borderline old, slow, and overrated. There is no legitimate #1 blueliner. There is no speedy blueliner. 3.5 million was tied up in an obviously brittle Sami Salo. Bieksa is not as good as he seemed last year, and Edler tailed off for a similar reason - they are fine in their limited role, but not so much when given tougher assignments. One or the other may rebound this year, but this was hardly a stellar unit.
3) To win in the cap era you need young talent performing at a higher level than their entry level contracts would suggest. Anaheim last year was a clear example of this.
Vancouver is completely void of young talent up front. One by one their "prospects" were brought up - not one performed in any way that would suggest great things to come. Similarly, players like Mike Weaver and Nathan McIver are hardly blossoming blueliners.
In short, when injuries hit, this team had zero depth to turn to.
4) AV succeeded last year by motivating. The team was actually playing like shit, but his gigglefest seemed to snap the team out of its coma and they finished the year on fire.
That motivational approach generally works short term, for one year, but not long term. He had no such luck this year. The warning signs were all there last year before the gigglefest, but the fans didn't notice it, and management did nothing to address it. |
Gotta love it when your constructive Razz,According to you,This whole team belongs in the minors and nobody on it would be worthy of joining the lofty bruins organization   |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| freakydave wrote: |
Nonis did not get the right personell.AV is not a good offensive coach.
Heads must roll. |
Agreed,AV has to go,Nonis gets one more year to make his mark now that the contracts from the Burke regime have finally expired.I did see some good things happening this year particularly with the kids,Unlike Razz,I see some good young prospects coming along,Shannon and Raymond deserved high marks for effort in their first year and I love the young D,Bieksa,Edler and Bourdon will all be top 4 Defenceman in the years to come,Burrows and Kesler both had breakout years imo and I hope that Kesler gets the C next year with one of the A's going to Burrows,These two guys define what leadership is all about imo 
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kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Tuzer"Just wait until next year [/quote]
The ever present battle cry of Canuck fans |
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Bosc Ulrich II
OTP Resident Historian
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| [quote="Tuzer"Just wait until next year |
The ever present battle cry of Canuck fans[/quote]
/Leafs/Flyers
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kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Bring Back Pat Quinn!!! Pavel Bure to run the Offence and Linden/Smyl to smack some sense into slackers! But really A change of scenery for all the "old" guys might be what the team and they both need. WOuld you move the Twins at the draft if you could? I say pretty much everyone is touchable except maybe Kesler/Luongo. After those two I would move anyone! The only member of the old"core" who showed heart to me this season was Ohlund. Get a return for whoever you can kick the can and move on. |
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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Location: Rollin down the street
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| Tuzer wrote: |
| freakydave wrote: |
Nonis did not get the right personell.AV is not a good offensive coach.
Heads must roll. |
Agreed,AV has to go,Nonis gets one more year to make his mark now that the contracts from the Burke regime have finally expired.I did see some good things happening this year particularly with the kids,Unlike Razz,I see some good young prospects coming along,Shannon and Raymond deserved high marks for effort in their first year and I love the young D,Bieksa,Edler and Bourdon will all be top 4 Defenceman in the years to come,Burrows and Kesler both had breakout years imo and I hope that Kesler gets the C next year with one of the A's going to Burrows,These two guys define what leadership is all about imo
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I am with you on "C" thing--
Nonis should be let go. I'll give him credit--Luongo(mostly Keenan's man love for Bertuzzi),Mitchell,Pyatt,hanging on to Edler & Bourdon,acquiring Pettinger--on the downside:trading a great deal of picks for Carney,Brown & Weinrich. Signing Chouinard, Park , Cowan, Ritchie, Isbister, Bulis & Santala.Failing in 3 seasons to address the shortage of top 6 fwds on the team.
Nonis must go bring on the Tambellini era. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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It's all well and good to demand change... But who is the alternative? Bring in another JFJ? I think he's available... What's Bill LaForge up to these days?
As for 'bringing in scoring talent', I would recommend perusing the list of UFAs... Then remember that this team will be bidding against other teams, many of whom have a lot more cap room to offer (CBJ, NSH, and so on), as well as young talent to help attract the bigger names... All of a sudden, Markus Naslund doesn't seem like such a bad re-signing... Same goes for BMo... There are some good names out there; Malone is intriguing but we have to be realistic about this team's chances for a significant improvement.
I'm guessing that the new ownership will give DN and AV a mulligan for the year; the emergence of Edler and Kesler has been one of the few bright spots. I'd love to see a Hossa in here, but realistically, I can't see it happening. I'd like them to dangle BXA, maybe even Bourdon but I doubt that their trade value at the moment is very high. MayRay, for all his promise, and Shannon are still works-in-progress; Hansen isn't lighting up the A' and I doubt he'd help much in the NHL... Unless he's willing to re-sign for $2.5-3m and play a much lesser role as Modano has done in Dallas, I think DN should pass on Naslund; agree wholeheartedly on BMo - re-sign if possible. Perhaps Michael Ryder would gel with the Sedins, but they still need that big body, physical presence - Pyatt can't be doing this alone...
Ohlund, Salo, Mitchell, BXA, Edler, Krajicek - I don't mind so much. I wouldn't mind it if they re-signed Miller, and Weaver was great (as much as it pains me to admit) in a fill-in role; he's definitely not top 6 material. BXA's play has me worried - but hopefully, as a late bloomer, this was his 'sophomore slump' year-equivalent and he'll be solid again next year. Nevertheless, if DN can get even an early second-rounder for BXA, I'd say do it; bring in Bourdon, and use the cap room to attract some mid-grade forward talent.
Let's face it, kids... 2008/09 will be another re-building year.
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
It's all well and good to demand change... But who is the alternative? Bring in another JFJ? I think he's available... What's Bill LaForge up to these days?
As for 'bringing in scoring talent', I would recommend perusing the list of UFAs... Then remember that this team will be bidding against other teams, many of whom have a lot more cap room to offer (CBJ, NSH, and so on), as well as young talent to help attract the bigger names... All of a sudden, Markus Naslund doesn't seem like such a bad re-signing... Same goes for BMo... There are some good names out there; Malone is intriguing but we have to be realistic about this team's chances for a significant improvement.
I'm guessing that the new ownership will give DN and AV a mulligan for the year; the emergence of Edler and Kesler has been one of the few bright spots. I'd love to see a Hossa in here, but realistically, I can't see it happening. I'd like them to dangle BXA, maybe even Bourdon but I doubt that their trade value at the moment is very high. MayRay, for all his promise, and Shannon are still works-in-progress; Hansen isn't lighting up the A' and I doubt he'd help much in the NHL... Unless he's willing to re-sign for $2.5-3m and play a much lesser role as Modano has done in Dallas, I think DN should pass on Naslund; agree wholeheartedly on BMo - re-sign if possible. Perhaps Michael Ryder would gel with the Sedins, but they still need that big body, physical presence - Pyatt can't be doing this alone...
Ohlund, Salo, Mitchell, BXA, Edler, Krajicek - I don't mind so much. I wouldn't mind it if they re-signed Miller, and Weaver was great (as much as it pains me to admit) in a fill-in role; he's definitely not top 6 material. BXA's play has me worried - but hopefully, as a late bloomer, this was his 'sophomore slump' year-equivalent and he'll be solid again next year. Nevertheless, if DN can get even an early second-rounder for BXA, I'd say do it; bring in Bourdon, and use the cap room to attract some mid-grade forward talent.
Let's face it, kids... 2008/09 will be another re-building year. |
Is DN better than JFJ ?
I don't think so---how many times would Leafs have made the playoffs if JFJ had landed Luongo for Antropov,Kaberle,Raycroft ? |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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triple post 
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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For once I'll try to be constructive:
1) Your big ticket items need to earn their dough. None of Naslund, Morrison, or Luongo came close to earning their keep this year. God knows what "issues" Luongo was referring to in the papers, but the other two never got out of the gate. That's over 15 million in inefficient use of cap space. No one can win with that.
2) The defense is borderline old, slow, and overrated. There is no legitimate #1 blueliner. There is no speedy blueliner. 3.5 million was tied up in an obviously brittle Sami Salo. Bieksa is not as good as he seemed last year, and Edler tailed off for a similar reason - they are fine in their limited role, but not so much when given tougher assignments. One or the other may rebound this year, but this was hardly a stellar unit.
3) To win in the cap era you need young talent performing at a higher level than their entry level contracts would suggest. Anaheim last year was a clear example of this.
Vancouver is completely void of young talent up front. One by one their "prospects" were brought up - not one performed in any way that would suggest great things to come. Similarly, players like Mike Weaver and Nathan McIver are hardly blossoming blueliners.
In short, when injuries hit, this team had zero depth to turn to.
4) AV succeeded last year by motivating. The team was actually playing like shit, but his gigglefest seemed to snap the team out of its coma and they finished the year on fire.
That motivational approach generally works short term, for one year, but not long term. He had no such luck this year. The warning signs were all there last year before the gigglefest, but the fans didn't notice it, and management did nothing to address it. |
Gotta love it when your constructive Razz,According to you,This whole team belongs in the minors and nobody on it would be worthy of joining the lofty bruins organization |
Even THN doesn't think much about your "up and comers"... Edler certainly looks like a top 4 D man down the road, but Bourdon is looking more and more like a 5-6 guy and Bieksa who knows. As for guys up front... Burrows had 12 goals. As Bob Cole would say... WOW... |
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monsieur parafect
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Tuzer wrote: |
| razzmatazz wrote: |
For once I'll try to be constructive:
1) Your big ticket items need to earn their dough. None of Naslund, Morrison, or Luongo came close to earning their keep this year. God knows what "issues" Luongo was referring to in the papers, but the other two never got out of the gate. That's over 15 million in inefficient use of cap space. No one can win with that.
2) The defense is borderline old, slow, and overrated. There is no legitimate #1 blueliner. There is no speedy blueliner. 3.5 million was tied up in an obviously brittle Sami Salo. Bieksa is not as good as he seemed last year, and Edler tailed off for a similar reason - they are fine in their limited role, but not so much when given tougher assignments. One or the other may rebound this year, but this was hardly a stellar unit.
3) To win in the cap era you need young talent performing at a higher level than their entry level contracts would suggest. Anaheim last year was a clear example of this.
Vancouver is completely void of young talent up front. One by one their "prospects" were brought up - not one performed in any way that would suggest great things to come. Similarly, players like Mike Weaver and Nathan McIver are hardly blossoming blueliners.
In short, when injuries hit, this team had zero depth to turn to.
4) AV succeeded last year by motivating. The team was actually playing like shit, but his gigglefest seemed to snap the team out of its coma and they finished the year on fire.
That motivational approach generally works short term, for one year, but not long term. He had no such luck this year. The warning signs were all there last year before the gigglefest, but the fans didn't notice it, and management did nothing to address it. |
Gotta love it when your constructive Razz,According to you,This whole team belongs in the minors and nobody on it would be worthy of joining the lofty bruins organization |
Even THN doesn't think much about your "up and comers"... Edler certainly looks like a top 4 D man down the road, but Bourdon is looking more and more like a 5-6 guy and Bieksa who knows. As for guys up front... Burrows had 12 goals. As Bob Cole would say... WOW... |
We all can't stand razz cutting down the Canucks for no other reason than they are the Canucks but he's got bragging rights for the next year. His team is in the playoffs and the Canucks are out. Let him bask in the glow. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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The glow is guaranteed to last at LEAST four games...
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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The glow is guaranteed to last at LEAST four games...
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kylos
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| TAylor Pyatt is the most overrated player on the team! there I said it. this has been pissing me off since last season! Would it be so bad to admit that you screwed up and dropped the ball on Anson Carter DN? He'sd got the size but not the desire to get in the dirty spots nearly enough. What killed the Canucks was a complete lack of physical presence. There was no punishing checks in the corner and for the second most penalized team in the league that just seems unacceptable to me. Guys were constantly pulling back at the last minute seemingly afraid to throw a hit. Especially Pyatt I say he's on the same track as Isbister to have a completely disappointing career. The knock on our youth is they're small border line tiny. While speed and creativity are great assets how many guys can you say have gfreat wheels and skill but consistently get knocked off the puck. Speaking of that the Twins haven't been able to stay on their skates in weeks and looked very tired of trying to carry the load down the stretch! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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I give the team overall an F of course now with that being said...
GM:
I wouldnt fire Nonis and I've been easy on the guy but the heat is on from this point on. I feel that Nonis was handcuffed again to this group last season because of their success. Now he has the justification to blow it up.
COACH:
I wouldnt fire AV either though he puzzled me many of times with his handling of certain players. But I think AV can coach an entertaining brand of hockey with his "system" ..what makes me think that you ask? Kesler and BUrrows proved that they can be successful and entertaining under AV , just get him more his type of players. We keep trying to cram a square peg into a round hole via Naslund and blaming AV. All coaches have their type of player.( not to be confused with Graham James "type of player")
PLAYERS:
The top priority in my opinion is changing the identity of this team on ice. Who else is tired of being known as a soft cyclling team thats easy to play against? I know I am. Without getting into detail of the many changes needed , the big one for me , its what NOnis is to Freaky and AV to Tuzer , I want to trade the Sedins.
Ill add this too..nobody is safe. |
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