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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| Av-merican wrote: |
| I think this is pretty much a moot point now. I guess Toronto wins the Fabian sweepstakes! |
If it's true that Fabian was holding out to see if DN sticks around is true (which I doubt because as I understand it, he can't sign with anyone until after the World Championships), then I have lost complete faith in this organization and its new owner. He couldn't wait until DN locked up the prospect in a few weeks to say this? Is his replacement that much better? 
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
| I guess Toronto wins the Fabian sweepstakes! |
Nah!! The leafs won't sign him,He's not even 30 years old. |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| why would a player care if a GM is around or not? hes not playing for the GM hes playing for the Coach and players! i think he would be more interested if AV stays or not |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| MrBumpnGrind wrote: |
| why would a player care if a GM is around or not? hes not playing for the GM hes playing for the Coach and players! i think he would be more interested if AV stays or not |
I tend to think the media, as usual, took a game of broken telephone and added their own spin to it. BUT, if the rumors are to be believed (and frankly, they're not to be believed at face value), then Nonis "promised" Brunnström top-6 minutes (he wouldn't actually do this), and Brunnström liked all the effort Nonis had apparently made to sign him.
Again, this is probably a kernel of truth put through the wringer about 57 times and stretched way beyond its initial meaning. Nonis probably gave him the Jan Bulis incentive -- work hard, and you might get a chance to play with the Sedins. I'm sure he never promised him top-6 minutes, but the Detroit press was reporting that the refusal of this "demand" (I'm sure it wasn't a demand) was what led him to rule out the Wings.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| Unless im mistaken Brunnstrom is like a regular draft pick meaning when he signs the team will own his rights for 7 years , and control his fait. Having a GM that covets you and/OR will treat you right Im sure is weighing in on his decision. |
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| Unless im mistaken Brunnstrom is like a regular draft pick meaning when he signs the team will own his rights for 7 years , and control his fait. Having a GM that covets you and/OR will treat you right Im sure is weighing in on his decision. |
No, he will turn unrestricted at age 27 like everyone else.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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Bosc Ulrich II
OTP Resident Historian
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| The Wings had guaranteed Brunnstrom he’d be on the team next fall at least for a month, but that beyond that time he’d have to show them he was an NHL-ready player. |
Good, don't guarantee him shit beyond that. On the team, not guaranteed ice. Like it says, if the kid wants to come over and show in practice and training camp that he's ready to play at this level, then maybe he'll earn a spot on the team. None of this guaranteed top-6 bullshit, if it is indeed true.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thats what I was implying when I posted "he was starting to believe in his own hype.." this kid has alot of demands for a no name prospect. He wants to know if Nonis would stick around? I wanna know if he can stick around! lol.. 9 goals in the SEL and he's a cant miss superstar? where's the beef?
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope this kid becomes a superstar somewhere else, it will only add to the tragically hilarious lore of the Canucks. This will go down as one of those " we could've had " stories. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
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Likewise, I hope that Luongo, Mitchell, Ohlund, Kesler, and Edler get traded to teams that actually have some direction and a chance to get to the show.
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Hounsy
Reigning King of One-Liners
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Toronto loves giving third line talent top two line minutes, sounds like a perfect fit.
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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Likewise, I hope that Luongo, Mitchell, Ohlund, Kesler, and Edler get traded to teams that actually have some direction and a chance to get to the show. |
Are you out of your mind?
So Nonis lost his job=Vancouver is directionless?
DN's teams only made the playoffs once because Luongo stood on his head for 1/2 a season.If anything DN stood in the way of team making the playoffs
this year.
At least give the new gm the same lattitude you afforded Mr Nonis.
DN was never the heart & soul of the Canucks no GM should be considered that.
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Mark my words Nonis is a mediocre GM-
I called for his head 07/08
fired apr 14th/08
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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To the extent that Aquilini didn't like the way DN was leading this team and fired him without having someone ready to be meet the press today, yes, they are 'directionless'. And forget about Tambellini stepping in - he's an interim fill-in to be sure and unless he gets lucky and has a good relationship with whoever the Aquilinis will appoint, then what's his motivation for setting any direction for this team? He knows he doesn't have the full support of the owner (otherwise he'd be named GM already).
In any event, to steer this thread back to where it belongs, it now seems that the Wings isn't where Brunnstrom is going..
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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I do agree with Freaky, though, that a GM change shouldn't be viewed as the first step of gutting the team and everyone on it. If the team is really as panicky as the fans when it comes to feeling the need to "blow it up" every three seasons, then my analogy of teenage girls meant to apply to the players may just as well apply to management.
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I don't see the next guy in charge goin' all Waddell on the roster, but as I said earlier one thing to be a bit worried about is the next guy having a clear mandate from ownership to beef up the offense, no matter what the cost. He might not be Waddell, but he could be Lowe, a guy who tries to sign a big name and then when none are available throws big money at a lesser player, or worse, your entire draft. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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"Per" from canuckscentral translated an article from Expressen:
| Per wrote: |
LOS ANGELES. Missing the playoffs cost Dave Nonis his job as GM of the Vancouver Canucks.
This could mean that Fabian Brunnström chooses a different NHL team this fall.
"At the moment we have no comments," says Brunnström's agent, Claes Elefalk, of CAA Sports to HockeyExpressen.se.
The news was a surprise for the Canucks players Monday evening, local time.
"To us players it was like a bolt out of thr blue," says Henrik Sedin when HockeyExpressen.se reaches him in Vancouver.
Spring cleaning
To miss the playoffs in hockey crazed Canada comes at a cost, as Nonis now has learnt.
That he also managed the team when they set a new franchise points record in 2006-07 still didn't help. Not in the eyes of new team owner Francesco Aquilini, at least.
Now a spring cleaning of the team is expected, where coach Alain Vigneault with great certainty will be the next man to walk the plank.
"Considering all the injuries we had this winter I'm surprised Nonis had to go. I expected major changes in the roster for next season, but if you don't win in this city, these things can happen," says Henrik Sedin.
"Would be a pity..."
How did you get the news?
"I was watching the news on TV. Then I also had a few text messages from team mates during the evening."
How will this affect the players?
"Hard to tell. We have yet to see who will become the new GM abd what other changes there will be."
There are statements in Canadian media that you may lose Färjestad's Fabian Brunnström, as his decision to pick Vancouver was connected to Nonis staying on as GM... ?
"It's too early to speculate in whether he'll sign here or not, but it wouldd be a pity if this should mean Fabian doesn't come to Vancouver."
Burke as replacement
Claes Elefalk gives this comment Tuesday morning from Russia, where he happens to be at present:
"Our policy is to never comment on what teams our clients are negotiating with, and when it comes to Fabian we're close to finalizing a negotiation."
Who ll replace Nonis is still not decided. A name that was mentioned a lot last night is the former Canucks GM, Brian Burke, who turned Anaheim into Stanley Cup chapions last season. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Expressen wrote: |
| where coach Alain Vigneault with great certainty will be the next man to walk the plank. |
Great certainty, huh? Well then, if Expressen says it...
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| Iain MacIntyre wrote: |
The first casualty of the Dave Nonis beheading -- make that the second casualty -- is the talented Swedish free agent Brunnstrom, whose agent confirmed Tuesday that the 23-year-old will be taking his National Hockey League-ready skills and entry-level salary somewhere else.
"Vancouver is his first choice," J.P. Barry told The Vancouver Sun from Calgary. "But with a change in general manager, there's a potential change in direction. When you've been in discussion with 20 teams, and there are no guarantees, you have to rely on your relationship with the GM to assess the opportunity. In this case, we don't know who's going to be changing that opportunity.
Translation: Brunnstrom will be probably be wearing a Detroit Red Wing or Toronto Maple Leaf uniform for the next two years -- and possibly many more after that.
Barry said he would speak with Vancouver assistant GM Steve Tambellini, who qualified to be the interim head of Canuck hockey operations because he has not yet been fired, before signing elsewhere.
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Back to the imagining: If Nonis weren't fired, the Canucks would have had Brunnstrom, been able to package their pick with a defenceman from their roster for an impact forward (for arguments, say Erik Cole), then spent some of their $15 million of salary-cap space on a power-forward free agent (like Ryan Malone).
Now you've surrounded Daniel and Henrik Sedin, Ryan Kesler and Alex Burrows with Brunnstrom, Cole and Malone, playing in front of one of the NHL's strongest defences and best goalies. Now you can think about trying to win a Stanley Cup.
Or you can fire Nonis, immediately lose Brunnstrom and imperil everything else. Two days ago, the Canucks were three forwards away from becoming a formidable team. Now, how far do they look?
In the last four seasons, the Canucks have been champions of the tough Northwest Division twice and won more games than the Calgary Flames, Colorado Avalanche, Minnesota Wild or Edmonton Oilers. But Vancouver is the only franchise that has fired its general manager. And it has done so twice. |
MENDOZAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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Av-merican
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Why exactly was he not drafted in the first place? Seems more like the next Jiri Dopita than anything else to me... |
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