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freakydave
Less freaky once you get to know him
Joined: 26 Oct 2007
Posts: 158
Location: Rollin down the street
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| Oz wrote: |
Mckenzie's latest
http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=234390
Sources say former player agent Brian Lawton, who quit the agent business last year to focus on getting a job in hockey management, is said to be extremely well thought of by the Canucks' hierarchy. Whether Lawton, a former NHL player who was chosen No. 1 overall in the 1983 Entry Draft, is a leading candidate or just one of the candidates remains to be seen, but it's clearly a name that should not be ignored. |
If Lawton gets the job firing Nonis makes little sense.
Why go on & on about leadership & exp , then hire a guy without exp?
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Mark my words Nonis is a mediocre GM-
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fired apr 14th/08
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1594
Location: Ottawa, ON
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And moreover, here's another wrinkle:
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| Aquilini suggested he may turn to "advisers" and sources say he has a friendship with former Canucks enforcer Gino Odjick, and an open line of communication to player agent Mike Gillis, who may be a candidate himself. |
Now I love Gino as much as the next guy, but if he's anywhere near a decision-making role with the Vancouver Canucks, it can't be good.
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 1673
Location: Denver
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Oh my God...PLEASE tell me Aquilini did not get up there and say "With great power comes great responsibility."  |
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Oz
Kangaroos and Didgeridoos
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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The more I read the more worried I get
http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/darren_dreger/?id=234470
What kind of message does this send to anyone thinking about taking the job now? How can it be inferred that he didn't have a plan when he was clearly trying to stick to a plan and wasn't willing to mortgage the future for short term benefits? |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 1673
Location: Denver
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| Seriously, if that offer was turned down by TB in favor of Mike Smith and Jeff fucking Halpern, then essentially it was Jay Feaster's incompetence that got Nonis fired. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1449
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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WRT to giving DN authority to spend to the cap, if Aquilini thinks $$$ = success in the NHL, then he's going to have to learn some very expensive lessons over the next few years... I wouldn't be surprised if he chases UFAs like Hossa with cash only to see him perform marginally better than Naslund.
Given that his panic move seemed to be driven by a group of disgruntled and frustrated fans, I hope he's seeing how much bad press he's getting about this move and what it's ramifications are... Whoever he hires next will determine whether this team survives this setback (say, by hiring a Ken Holland or Scotty Bowman) or whether he'll serve up the next punchline in a long, protracted downward spiral of the league's latest laughing stock... Move over, New York Islanders, Toronto Maple Leafs and Tampa Bay Lightning... There's a new joke in town. Their Aquilini's Vancouver Canucks... Seeing as how I just can't see the Wings release Holland, or Scotty Bowman get talked out of retirement to come to the Wet Coast, I'm getting a very, very bad feeling about this.
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2963
Location: Saskatoon!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
| Seriously, if that offer was turned down by TB in favor of Mike Smith and Jeff fucking Halpern, then essentially it was Jay Feaster's incompetence that got Nonis fired. |
That's what I've been saying all along. 
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"Oh my God. There she is. Lovely Sally Slater. I should speak to her. But what the hell can I say? Anything that doesn't mention that I masturbate over her memory is probably a good idea."
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 1673
Location: Denver
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| Well, from there the Aquilinis, who want to win, promptly make another change and the Vancouver hockey fan suffers through three or four years of anguish. But in the bargain, they will get some very high draft picks for the first time since the team took Trevor Linden and that's how so many of these emerging teams, which also include Washington and soon the L.A. Kings, have been built. It's why the likes of Ottawa, Anaheim and Pittsburgh have been or are exceptional teams. It's why the Islanders had a dynasty and why the old Penguins had so many great teams and how all those solid Avalanche teams were formed back in Quebec. |
Uh...does he realize this isn't the NFL and contracts are guaranteed? |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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every name is being tossed around from all those mentioned to other guys like Neil Smith , Doug Armstrong , Jim Benning ... Ill toss in a name that might on the radar , Colin Campbell.
Pratt predicts Tamby will be named by end of the month. I disagree with that if they wanted Tamby he would've been named already , he was barely given a strong endorsement as interim GM. you get the feeling the new GM will get the green light to clean house. |
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
every name is being tossed around from all those mentioned to other guys like Neil Smith , Doug Armstrong , Jim Benning ... Ill toss in a name that might on the radar , Colin Campbell.
Pratt predicts Tamby will be named by end of the month. I disagree with that if they wanted Tamby he would've been named already , he was barely given a strong endorsement as interim GM. you get the feeling the new GM will get the green light to clean house. |
I'm gonna predict Gillis  |
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 2963
Location: Saskatoon!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'll predict Linden. Hell, he should know the CBA pretty well.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| this seriously so up in the air...my prediction is gonna be Doug Armstrong. Based nothing more than a shot in the dark and a little logic. Its not "hope" on my part to say the least , I dont hate him just saying I remember he's the GM that brought Ribeiro AND Lindros to Dallas!!! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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1040 Team reports the rumoured short list by local media which based nothign more than hearsay amongst themselves...again I remind they all missed the boat on the actual firing! but...
Gillis , Lawton , Nill and Armstrong |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 911
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| interesting reading in Gallagher's article today that Gillis was a strong candidate in '98 but couldnt work with Bellringer ( who can???) |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1449
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Great read from Iain McIntyre: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/sports/story.html?id=ca43603d-4759-4ce9-9214-f01dde9456a8
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Everyone wants the Canucks to win.
You just can't have it on demand, as Aquilini wants.
If we can agree that the Canucks' 1982 run to the Stanley Cup final was an aberration, a confluence of favourable circumstance when 16 of 21 teams made the playoffs, the franchise has had only two sustained periods of anything resembling superiority.
The first were Pat Quinn's teams from the early 1990s. The genesis of those teams was the drafting of Trevor Linden and Pavel Bure and two key trades: The acquisition of Kirk McLean and Greg Adams from the New Jersey Devils, and the deal that brought Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall and Sergio Momesso from the St. Louis Blues.
Linden was drafted in 1988 and Bure a year later, and the trades were in 1987 and 1991, respectively. But the Canucks' breakthrough season was 1991-92, and they didn't go to the final until 1994. Does that tell you something about patience?
Then look at the Canuck teams that averaged 97 points a season between 2001 and 2004. The cornerstones of these -- Markus Naslund, Ed Jovanovski, Mattias Ohlund, Todd Bertuzzi, Brendan Morrison -- were acquired between 1996 and 2000. During that time, the Canucks were among the worst teams in the NHL.
But Brian Burke kept the group together, adding to it slowly, until it became an offensive powerhouse.
The Aquilinis have fully owned the Canucks only two seasons, but already they've given up on one regime. You can expect the Canucks to go backwards when a new general manager comes in and begins dismantling Nonis's team.
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And yet more evidence that these guys lurk on OTP...
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| What happens if the Canucks drop another 10 points next season? Remember, there's zero-tolerance for missing the playoffs. No excuses. Do the Canucks, already looking like a banana republic, start turnstiling managers in and out the way the George Steinbrenner's New York Yankees did in the 1980s? |
Call your lawyer, Sask, someone's been plagiarizing you...
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the New Cunning Linguist
Failed Bandwagon Opportunist
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Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Chaos
(Formerly Lieutenant Chaos)
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 376
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Very apt cartoon.  |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| whats with the Banana Republic references? |
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