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razzmatazz
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Player agent turned GM. Hope it works out better for you than it did in Phoenix...
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Tuzer
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Player agent turned GM. Hope it works out better for you than it did in Phoenix...
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E.L.3000
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Seems like friends helping friends on this one, instead of a well thought-out decision.
Putting a franchise together should be about getting the most talented guys you can and retaining them. You want friends? Join a country club.
BTW, if I were Steve Tambellini I would get out of dodge. Clearly he was never considered as a real candidate and for whatever reason Aquilini will never give him the big chair. Time for Steve to move on and take some random GM job before his time runs out.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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Congratulations and welcome, Mike Gillis! I think Gillis should have plenty of contacts throughout the league... Despite his lack of GM experience, I don't think he'll be intimidated by other more established GMs - heck, he's bent more than a few of them over and had his way with them over the years... What he may lack in actual GM experience, he should make up for in his experience in dealing with so many of them over the years.
However, I will say that much of the heavy lifting has already been done for him - he's got about $20M in cap room, some guy by the name of Luongo as his goalie, a top 10 pick in this year's draft, a solid but unspectular d (if they can stay healthy), and some solid prospects coming up in Schneider, Bourdon, and Hansen, and some good young, inexpensive talent in Kesler, Raymond, and Burrows. He has a former coach-of-the-year in AV, a pretty good second in Steve Tambellini, a better chief of scouting (relative to what they've had in the past) in Ron Delorme, who may be very valuable in ensuring continuity in management - or he can decide to fire the lot and bring in his own people. If he does, he does it at his own peril - too much upheaval in the front office could have an effect on the team, especially one as fragile as this one. He's joining a team that can now rid itself of any ghosts of the past (read Markus Naslund) and can name a new Captain (although as Naslund's current agent, that might be difficult  ). Given his relationship with Naslund, I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested that Naslund exercise his Niedermeyer option this summer and take an extended leave from the NHL until December or so. He also has an owner who is on record as saying that he'll spend to the cap limit and wants a winner in the worst way. So really, from his perspective, this is a pretty good situation going in.
With as many talents as he's acted for in the past, attracting free agents may not be as difficult, but the proof is in the pudding. He has to get the right talents in the right places and at the right price. Hopefully, he'll also throw money at the scouting situation; with the exception of Thomas Gradin, I don't know that I'd want to continue with Delorme as head scout as his record hasn't exactly been scintillating...
It remains to be seen how he'll be in front of the cameras - my guess is that he might be a little rough early on, but will settle into it pretty quickly. While Brian Burke wasn't popular with the local media, I think a thick skin is what is needed and respected in Vancouver. From the sounds of it, DN was very well-liked in the 'Nucks' front office - this will be one of his first challenges is to manage those expectations and address the fears of a housecleaning in Vancouver.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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That'd be the Selanne option, not the Niedermayer one
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saskhab
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Think Linden will join the front office?
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| That'd be the Selanne option, not the Niedermayer one |
I stand corrected...
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| Think Linden will join the front office? |
I can see him be given some type of "Director of Community Partnerships" or some such thing, but nothing of actual substance... This isn't Long Island.
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saskhab
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| That'd be the Selanne option, not the Niedermayer one |
I stand corrected...
| saskhab wrote: |
| Think Linden will join the front office? |
I can see him be given some type of "Director of Community Partnerships" or some such thing, but nothing of actual substance... This isn't Long Island. |
Or you know, Detroit.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| saskhab wrote: |
| me wrote: |
| saskhab wrote: |
| Think Linden will join the front office? |
I can see him be given some type of "Director of Community Partnerships" or some such thing, but nothing of actual substance... This isn't Long Island. |
Or you know, Detroit. |
You had to point that out, didn't you?
No, I think the situations are worlds apart... Gillis will want to put his stamp on the team - so I don't think he'll want to cede even a little bit of authority unless absolutely necessary.
The Yzerman situation is one of long-term stability already well-established. We don't have that in Vancouver. This is our third GM in five years.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Player agent turned GM. Hope it works out better for you than it did in Phoenix... |
... Or Boston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Chiarelli
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Prior to becoming an NHL executive, Chiarelli was a player agent before joining the Senators in 1999. He was also an attorney in private practice in Ottawa.
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Where's Jyrki21 today?
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razzmatazz
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| Chiarelli is working out fine... once we gave him a coach do over |
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Chiarelli is working out fine... |
I never said he wasn't.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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Interesting quotes from the ESPN article - taken completely out of context, of course...
On getting the best deal for his client - "We've got to let everybody get in there and throw punches," he says. "First you create a market, get a few offers on the table. Then you stand back and let them fight it out." - It sounds like Gillis knows how to get the best NHL deal for whoever he is working for - whether he can make that happen while sitting on the other side of the table is something that we'll have to watch.
On having the courage to orchestrate big trades - "Sometimes you have to take a step back or sideways to get them to understand their own game," he says. A man whose clientele is almost completely made up of players disaffected with their previous representation, Gillis has orchestrated celebrated trades for Pavel Bure to Florida and then to the Rangers in the glare of public criticism... "The agent business is full of guys with (guts)," says one high-ranking NHL management figure. "But Mike Gillis has the (most guts) of all." - He knows how to make a big trade and has the cojones to pull the trigger, but can he do it for the right players in the right places?
On his role as a player-agent - "Maximizing compensation is the first and foremost part of my job." - Hmmm... This might be more of a challenge; as a player-agent, he only has to worry about maximizing compensation... As a GM in a cap world, he has to be concerned about maximizing value - getting the most player for limited bucks. He also has to concerned about maximizing ROI with this scouting staff - are they getting good value for the information that their scouting staff is giving them?
On dealing with the Old Guard of NHL Owners - In Gillis's view, Bill Wirtz was a part of that recidivist hockey culture when he suggested Gillis was breaking the collective bargaining rules by arranging Amonte's signing in advance -- the old bully-boy tactics. -The takeaway for me here is the Gillis won't be cowed or bullied into accepting a weaker position. Hopefully, this extends to potentially being bullied by his own boss.
On dealing with family and work balance - "I'm a believer in happy family, happy player. And happy player, happy team. So if my family is happy with this deal, it will be good for everyone." - Definitely a positive, especially for players like Luongo who've had to be away from his family for most of the season.
On dealing with players fairly and in a timely fashion - "Bill Wirtz is full of (explitive). He had every opportunity to sign his captain to a fair contract, and now that he's losing him, he's trying to blame others. I can't stand that stuff." - This suggests that he won't waste time in re-upping his RFAs and perhaps even his impending UFAs if he feels it is deserved. With the Sedins headed for UFAdom next summer, and Luongo the summer after that, we should see him start talking contract extensions sooner rather than later.
People might remember that Gillis played a part in engineering the trade that brought Jovo to Vancouver for Bure, then the one that brought Bure to NY, and later, got Bobby Holik a five-year $40M contract. It'll be interesting to see if, as a GM, whether he'll be as generous to his players as the GMs he negotiated with in the past. One thing I do like is that Gillis seems to have a very good rep with players; that should help him attract UFAs this summer.
Some early articles: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=a4b5cbbf-5d13-4452-b605-3520f0bdf619&k=92611
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=793161a1-cf72-4b8d-8155-0d26013cd6b6
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=3698158a-1c25-4465-a556-e26e39b3f07b&k=34947
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Av-merican
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| E.L.12 more wrote: |
Seems like friends helping friends on this one, instead of a well thought-out decision.
Putting a franchise together should be about getting the most talented guys you can and retaining them. You want friends? Join a country club.
BTW, if I were Steve Tambellini I would get out of dodge. Clearly he was never considered as a real candidate and for whatever reason Aquilini will never give him the big chair. Time for Steve to move on and take some random GM job before his time runs out. |
Seems like Aqualung chose a guy who'll be more receptive to his input...I'm not saying Gillis will be a puppet, his personality seems to be too forceful for something like that to happen, but there's a better chance of Aqualad having his way with Gillis than with Nonis.
I've said in the past Tambellini should've bolted for the first front office opportunity he could. He chose loyalty instead and he's getting richly rewarded for it. Since it seems like Burke is all but packed and ready to head to Toronto, Tamby should put his name in for the soon-to-be-vacant GM spot in Anaheim. |
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Ill reserve my own critique until he actually gets to work. I dont know how there can be haters or fans of Gillis yet...he hasnt done shit. All these threads at Canucksdotcom on how he's good or bad... based on what?
But his judgment wont take long to start , he'll get tossed into the fire right off the bat.. he's gotta make front office decisions , coaching decisions and then start prepping for the most important week for a GM , the Draft and the start of UFA season.
it begins in a couple hours...
and I agree with the mindset that Gillis was on Aquilini's agenda from the beginning and maybe he did have a plan. |
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Av-merican
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Vigneault should be fired...after all if he's not fitting what you want the team to be there's no sense in wasting a year. Unfortunately I have no earthly idea who you'd get to replace him. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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yeah , I can see Gillis cleaning house.
Stan Smyl has to be fired. He is a horrible off ice hockey guy... there's so many hockey jobs in vanocuver/lower mainland not connected with the Canucks for Smyl . |
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