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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| yes. Edler is overrated, as was BXA... |
Yeah, but so is Jeff Carter. |
glad im *not the only one who felt that way too. Im not sold on Carter as a no.1 centre and definitely not a future superstar and definitley dont want to pay him 5M to maybe develope into one. I think he's a good player but I'd rather take my chances and draft our own Jeff Carter with the 10th pick and keep Edler all the same.
*edit.. I didnt have the word not there before.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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I realized yesterday that the 1st rd is friday night! finally the NHL is catching on! I was planning on maybe touching myself satruday afternoon but everything might go down on friday!!!
I dont know too much still about the players but here's my blind mock draft
Tbay Stamkos
LA - Doughty
Atl - Schenn
Stl- Bogosian
Nyi- Pietreangelo
Cbj - Sbisa
Tor - Boedker
Phx - Filatov
Nash - Hodgson
Vancouver - Beach
Chi - Wilson
Ana- Myers
Up until yesterday I had Wilson or Sbisa going to Vancouver and I still think Sbisa could end up here but I think Gillis will aim for the fences. Wilson seems to be the cant miss Kesler like safe pick and BEach is the "Kopitar" wildcard pick. Of course you can never have too many D , Sbisa could be too tempting too pass if he's still there , same with Myers. But again I think Gillis wants to target a skill guy... just my gut feeling based on zero.
I also think a 5-7 player blockbuster is coming on friday for Vancouver. Wishful thinking and optimistic dreaming ? maybe but I feel it!!! |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Matthew Sekeres reports Vancouver Canucks GM Mike Gillis is willing to trade his first round pick (10th overall) for a top-six forward,and he hinted that drafting Russian players might not be in the team's plans as they may be difficult to lure to North America. |
I agree with the russians. Unless its franchise superstar Pavel Bure , Ovechkin , Malkin calibre... pass and let somebody else enjoy the potential headaches of bringing him here , keeping him happy and hoping he doesnt go back. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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Of course he wants to trade it, he only has Luongo here for 2 more years guaranteed...
As for my "tard" comments, once Edler is thrust into top 4 minutes, he will flail about like BXA did. Take both of them for what they are - solid 5-6 D men on contending teams. If Ohlund, Mitchell and Salo stay healthy, and you add a Jason Smith or someone like that, that is a very good D especially with Luongo in net. Absent those guys, and BXA and Edler have to play roles they aren't good enough for.
Scoring is at a huge premium. Jeff Carter is a bluechipper, 60 point guy at this point, with a bigger upside. Vancouver does sweet fuck all with their draft picks anyway, might as well go get a gem someone else uncovered. Edler and a 1st for Carter and a pick would be a great deal for Vancouver... |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
Of course he wants to trade it, he only has Luongo here for 2 more years guaranteed...
As for my "tard" comments, once Edler is thrust into top 4 minutes, he will flail about like BXA did. Take both of them for what they are - solid 5-6 D men on contending teams. If Ohlund, Mitchell and Salo stay healthy, and you add a Jason Smith or someone like that, that is a very good D especially with Luongo in net. Absent those guys, and BXA and Edler have to play roles they aren't good enough for.
Scoring is at a huge premium. Jeff Carter is a bluechipper, 60 point guy at this point, with a bigger upside. Vancouver does sweet fuck all with their draft picks anyway, might as well go get a gem someone else uncovered. Edler and a 1st for Carter and a pick would be a great deal for Vancouver... |
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E.L.3000
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Why is everyone assuming Jeff Carter is on the trading block? The cap is going up and the Flyers are divesting themselves of some bad contracts now and in the next few years. Jeff Carter strikes me as one of the important guys they'll make an effort to keep.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd consider doing the offer sheet route if I were the Nucks, why not... |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| E.L. wrote: |
| Why is everyone assuming Jeff Carter is on the trading block? The cap is going up and the Flyers are divesting themselves of some bad contracts now and in the next few years. Jeff Carter strikes me as one of the important guys they'll make an effort to keep. |
He may not be on the trading block but given that he'd be #3 on the depth chart behind Briere and Richards; and he'd be #3 for a long, long time... He could easily be #2 in Vancouver or higher elsewhere.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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Wait , Razz bashed the Canucks for trading all their picks and having no prospects and now endorses trading all these picks and prospects for one "blue chip" 60 pt guy. If he did get 60 pts Im gonna guess Carter would get ridiculed by Razz for underachieving as a 5M player producing ONLY 60 pts and bash Canucks fans for praising Carter as a legit scorer.
With that being said ... the offer sheet strategy still intrigues me. Actually does anyone know all the teams that are prone to get offer sheets? you know what I mean. Who else is targetted to get offer sheets?
depends on what else happens. If the Canucks miss out on everything else , just lke K-Lowe last summer, yeah I woudlnt mind Gillis making an OS to Carter(or whomever) , sometimes you gotta do whatchya gotta do. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| PALM BEACH POST: Brian Biggane reports of talks the Panthers could move Jokinen within 48 hours as two members of the Canadian media claim he’s asked for a trade. It rumored Vancouver, St. Louis , Phoenix, Calgary and Minnesota have made offers. |
This is the deal my gut is getting all wet and wild for. I realize the mirrored irony of Dave Nonis making his splash with FLA on the eve of the draft lol...but nonetheless my gut says Gillis is more willing to overpay than the other teams and may have the pieces. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
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| PALM BEACH POST: Brian Biggane reports of talks the Panthers could move Jokinen within 48 hours as two members of the Canadian media claim he’s asked for a trade. It rumored Vancouver, St. Louis , Phoenix, Calgary and Minnesota have made offers. |
This is the deal my gut is getting all wet and wild for. I realize the mirrored irony of Dave Nonis making his splash with FLA on the eve of the draft lol...but nonetheless my gut says Gillis is more willing to overpay than the other teams and may have the pieces. |
I have a tough time believing that Florida would be willing to trade OJ to Vancouver given that they practically gave away Luongo for nothing two years ago. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised if Kesler / BXA were ones going the other way... OJ's -19 worries me a little. 
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| oh I just reminded myself of another overrated guy after reading a story on a guy always linked to Vancouver but totally dethrones Jeff Carter in my books for the overrated one..Ryan Malone. What is the big hub bub about this guy? 4-5M? talk about Anson Carter syndrome. uh no thanks. The guy could barely shine Clark Gillies jock cup. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
I have a tough time believing that Florida would be willing to trade OJ to Vancouver given that they practically gave away Luongo for nothing two years ago. Nevertheless, I wouldn't be surprised if Kesler / BXA were ones going the other way... OJ's -19 worries me a little. |
I think the Sedins are the centre piece for the Canucks. Well , we know thats who Martin asked for at the deadline , difference now? Gillis is willing to make it happen. Both teams have other needs and might have to add this and that hence why my gut says 5+player blockbuster deal. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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A good read from Mark Gage.
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| for the longest time I thought 99% no way Gillis trades the 10th pick but as we get within 24 hours of the draft and you hear more and more... I've changed my feelings on that. As everyone is feeling , no idea what to expect from Gillis.. is he a crazy guy ? is he conservative ? is he a gun slinger? is he traditional? ... |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| for the longest time I thought 99% no way Gillis trades the 10th pick but as we get within 24 hours of the draft and you hear more and more... I've changed my feelings on that. As everyone is feeling , no idea what to expect from Gillis.. is he a crazy guy ? is he conservative ? is he a gun slinger? is he traditional? ... |
Well no matter how you see it,There seems to be an aura of mystery and excitement surrounding the Canucks at this years draft,If GMMG wants to live up to his selfimposed billing than I think we can definitely expect some bigtime moves at the draft (or,as well) in the following days leading up to the free agent sweepstakes.It should be fun to watch  |
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah , even if he was mad like Milbury , it just means more to banter about and laugh and cry about !lol I can feel the hype starting to build |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Well hate to bring it up but in light of Luc Bourdon's death and the fact that this is being touted as a defense-heavy draft, I think the sensible move for Gillis to make is obvious. Even he admitted the Canucks weren't close to being a true powerhouse, and I think he's right. If Luongo walks, let him walk. Just don't do something stupid and package Corey Schneider in a deadline deal or something before that happens. |
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Tuzer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If Luongo walks, let him walk. Just don't do something stupid and package Corey Schneider in a deadline deal or something before that happens. |
I think before that scenario arises,You'll see Luongo traded and Schneider replacing him,I just can't believe that they would ever let Luongo walk for nothing.As far as Defence goes,I can see the way you're thinking and I agree mostly but imo Gillis is hellbent building our offence far before he addresses our Defensive needs |
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Cannots Luvah
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| does anybody think Gillis might trade down(as in 11th-30th pick)? or trade up? |
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