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razzmatazz
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Farang
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| That's why they get paid as much as they do dude. SUCKS! I agree. Fucking terrible, but that's what the shit's about. It wasn't a crazy ass Bertuzzi hook. It was what would seem innocuous hit. Careless, yes, but not a malicious hit. Dumb, I agree. I hope for a safe return, but wishing death on Jones is retarded, seriously. |
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monsieur parafect
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| Mark: Now you can understand my disdain for Colin Campbell, Gary Bettman and the NHL brass for their lack of action when Steve Moore concussed Naslund with a totally illegal hit under NHL rules. It wasn't just the lack of action, it was Campbells' chippy, cock-eating response how he was going to go to the next game between the Canucks and Avalanche to make certain nothing happened. Later on Moore cross-checks Martin St Louis into the boards from behind and still nothing happens to Moore. He ran from players his own size when challenged to fights and decides to fight the smallest none fighter on the team. Bertuzzi's selfish and reprehensible actions overshadowed all of this but it still could have been prevented had Shithead Campbell done his job and not sucked up to WalMart money. In this situation, Campbell knew he had to do something but gave a token suspension because he fears offending Ed Snider and Jeremy Jacobs. He is terrified of both because both could have Bettman fire him. For the record, those like Don The Dinosaur who blame Bergeron for the hit are the same people who would have called him yellow, soft and questioned his manhood had he let up and allowed Jones to strip the puck from him along the boards. They are nothing more than fucking idiots. Bergeron did nothing wrong. Jones should have been suspended for more games. I hope Bergeron makes a full recovery, the NHL needs all the skilled plays it can get. |
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Bosc Ulrich II
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Razz, where in the articles does it say that he may not play again?
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razzmatazz
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Going after Bob McKenzie is completely appropriate - he said Bergeron was at fault. That's a complete joke and there is every reason for Chiarelli to have him in his crosshairs, as he does.
No article says his career is over. But read the symptoms. The dude can't fucking think. He goes 2 minutes on the phone and gets tired? This is a serious, serious injury. Reeks of Norman Leveille...
I still don't think you ding Jones on the basis of what damage he caused.
Also agree there was no malicious intent.
But the hit from behind was completely intentional, and whether in a courtroom or the NHL, you should shoulder the results of your intended or reckless act. Jones was the very definition of reckless - he intended the act, and did it. He surely realized the risks of drilling someone from behind, and did it anyway.
The results should not per se influence the penalty, I'm not changing my opinion on that. However, if a guy breaks his neck, or can't play again, it would seem to drive home the idea that this wasn't exactly a love tap, and that the action was probably serious enough to warrant harsh discipline.
Look, Travis Roy went headfirst into the boards and DID break his neck. Had an opponent tripped him and sent him to his paralysis, we'd all agree that although a penalty, it was hardly worth hanging the guy over. Whether the guy dies or gets up is immaterial to the fact that the impugned action wasn't that bad.
In this situation the action was reckless, and deserved a stiff reaction even if Bergeron got up and went after Jones himself. The injury doesn't really matter, all I'm saying is that the NHL really missed the ball in mischaracterizing Jones' culpability...
Mr. P, I agree with much of what you are saying. Steve Moore was no saint, and although the hit on Naslund has been reviewed more in these parts than the Zapruder film, you bring up a great comparison. Naslund was lunging for the puck; one could blame him just as some are blaming Bergeron. BUt that would be bullshit, as Naslund was just playing the game. Moore didn't have to hit him; Jones didn't have to hit Bergeron. I suppose the difference would be that Moore may or may not have realized Naslund was so vulnerable, where as Jones surely did, but that's nitpicking.
Only other thing I'd say is, Jacobs is head of the BOG now, so ignoring a potentially career ending enjury to his brightest young star wouldn't seem to be great for job security... |
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| Going after Bob McKenzie is completely appropriate - he said Bergeron was at fault. That's a complete joke and there is every reason for Chiarelli to have him in his crosshairs, as he does. |
Read the freakin article.
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The NHL has yet to rule on Jones, and won't do or say anything publicly Sunday, but if the reaction around the league from other GMs, coaches and players is any indication, Jones is not likely to be on the receiving end of a monster suspension, if he's suspended at all.
The prevailing opinion - outside of Boston, of course - is that Jones was simply trying to do his job, ride his man out of the play and while he ultimately delivered a hit from behind, Bergeron contributed to his own demise by turning away from the hit and going low into the dasher board, which led to a broken nose and concussion. |
Did he say that he thought it was Bergeron's fault? No, he said that the prevailing opinion is that Bergeron contributed to his own demise. Not that it was his own damn fault. Nor did he say that was his opinion. You and Chiarelli are putting words in his mouth.
Yeah, it's definitely a serious injury, it just seems like the title is total doom and gloom. I was worried that that was the actual doctor's assessments, so not finding anything like that in the article was a little unexpected.
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I still don't think you ding Jones on the basis of what damage he caused.
Also agree there was no malicious intent.
But the hit from behind was completely intentional, and whether in a courtroom or the NHL, you should shoulder the results of your intended or reckless act. Jones was the very definition of reckless - he intended the act, and did it. He surely realized the risks of drilling someone from behind, and did it anyway.
The results should not per se influence the penalty, I'm not changing my opinion on that. However, if a guy breaks his neck, or can't play again, it would seem to drive home the idea that this wasn't exactly a love tap, and that the action was probably serious enough to warrant harsh discipline.
Look, Travis Roy went headfirst into the boards and DID break his neck. Had an opponent tripped him and sent him to his paralysis, we'd all agree that although a penalty, it was hardly worth hanging the guy over. Whether the guy dies or gets up is immaterial to the fact that the impugned action wasn't that bad.
In this situation the action was reckless, and deserved a stiff reaction even if Bergeron got up and went after Jones himself. The injury doesn't really matter, all I'm saying is that the NHL really missed the ball in mischaracterizing Jones' culpability...
Mr. P, I agree with much of what you are saying. Steve Moore was no saint, and although the hit on Naslund has been reviewed more in these parts than the Zapruder film, you bring up a great comparison. Naslund was lunging for the puck; one could blame him just as some are blaming Bergeron. BUt that would be bullshit, as Naslund was just playing the game. Moore didn't have to hit him; Jones didn't have to hit Bergeron. I suppose the difference would be that Moore may or may not have realized Naslund was so vulnerable, where as Jones surely did, but that's nitpicking.
Only other thing I'd say is, Jacobs is head of the BOG now, so ignoring a potentially career ending enjury to his brightest young star wouldn't seem to be great for job security... |
The fact that he only got 2 games for drilling him from behind, I think is brutal too. My apologies if I misunderstood, it just sounded by the way you worded your comment that you felt it was because of the injury that you felt he deserved more. Which was why I edited my comment in the first place.
I also agree that the NHL missed the ball with holding Jones responsible, but the NHL has caught the ball with respect to hitting from behind as well as Cloutier catches the pucks going towards his 5-hole.
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razzmatazz
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| No problem, I realized after re-reading what I wrote that it sure did sound like I was advocating punishment based on result... |
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