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saskhab
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Bryzgalov on waivers |
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=222992&hubname=
Wow. Shows you how tough the trade market really is.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| DAMMIT, I hate it when one of Eklund's rumors turns out to be true... |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Bryzgalov on waivers |
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| saskhab wrote: |
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=222992&hubname=
Wow. Shows you how tough the trade market really is. |
Would it be totally unrelated to now say the Toskala trade by JFJ was AWESOME!
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I didn't know that he had one more year.
Feaster should be jumping all the fuck over this. Honestly, Burke can't get picks and prospects back? What the fuck?
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Av-merican
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
I didn't know that he had one more year.
Feaster should be jumping all the fuck over this. Honestly, Burke can't get picks and prospects back? What the fuck? |
No, it's George McPhee who should be jumping... |
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
I didn't know that he had one more year.
Feaster should be jumping all the fuck over this. Honestly, Burke can't get picks and prospects back? What the fuck? |
No, it's George McPhee who should be jumping... |
Yeah I didn't know that he had that extra year. Maybe he should pick him up now...
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Holy shit! Not even some draft picks?
I don't get it... he's not that expensive.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe GM's believe him to be the product of a system?
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| Av-merican wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
I didn't know that he had one more year.
Feaster should be jumping all the fuck over this. Honestly, Burke can't get picks and prospects back? What the fuck? |
No, it's George McPhee who should be jumping... |
Yeah I didn't know that he had that extra year. Maybe he should pick him up now... |
Nevermind, it's been corrected. He is UFA at the end of this year.
I have no idea why Anaheim is doing this, unless he's a big problem in the dressing room. He's a bargain at that price and has been great in Giguere's absence the past few seasons, including the playoffs. This makes no sense if they're bringing Nieds back because Hiller's cap hit is almost 3 times as much. It makes more sense to just hold onto him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season than lose him for nothing right now.
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saskhab
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Kiprusoff once cleared waivers (waiver draft system). Nothing surprises me with goalies and how GM's evaluate them.
I could think of several teams where if I was on staff right now I'd be asking about improving our netminding by picking him up. And who knows, maybe GM's saw this coming from Burke and decided to risk picking him up on waivers instead of via trade.
If he clears, more than a few GM's are stupid.
Imagine if LA could rotate both Bryzgalov & Labarbera instead of relying on Aubin to pick up some of the slack.
Tampa sticking Denis in the minors and rolling with Bryz and Holmquist. If Bryz takes over, let Holmquist walk as a UFA. Buy out Denis' last year come June, and make Ramo a backup next year.
Washington sticking Johnson in the minors. He's cheap enough that he might be moveable at some point.
Phoenix adding another goalie to the mix now that Aebi's out of the picture. This one actually has good upside as a stand alone starter.
Edmonton, if they could move Roloson. Tricky one, though.
Chicago. Another tricky situation with Khabibulin still under contract for one more year after this, and Crawford waiting in the wings. It becomes a choice of Crawford as goalie of the future vs. Bryzgalov. You know your status of Crawford, now do a quick comparison to Bryzgalov and make a quick decision.
Buffalo. You just signed Thibault for two years, though. Too tricky likely, but examine.
Colorado, but this requires waiving Theodore, who is playing better now. Still, you'd have a good goalie to compete with Budaj for next year as well... at a good rate. Colorado could afford to put Theo in the minors (or see if someone wants him on re-entry). They would have one of the last shots at Bryzgalov, so putting in a claim would probably amount to nothing anyways.
Atlanta. How serious is Lehtonen's injury? Could be good to have some security for next year as well, as Hedberg is a UFA.
San Jose, if they actually want a backup to play any games this year at all.
Pittsburgh... tough call on this one. I don't see Bryz as the answer they need. Someone with more experience is probably better... then again, Bryz does have decent experience particularily in the post-season.
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saskhab
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
Nevermind, it's been corrected. He is UFA at the end of this year.
I have no idea why Anaheim is doing this, unless he's a big problem in the dressing room. He's a bargain at that price and has been great in Giguere's absence the past few seasons, including the playoffs. This makes no sense if they're bringing Nieds back because Hiller's cap hit is almost 3 times as much. It makes more sense to just hold onto him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season than lose him for nothing right now. |
Ah, OK. That's what I originally thought. Some of the above comments make less sense now. Still think Tampa should be making this move, but their ownership situation kind of complicates things.
You're reading too much into Hiller's cap hit. It's a lot of performance bonuses that won't be attained as a backup, so they're just numbers and not actual dollars. Burke will pay less to Hiller than Bryzgalov by the end of this year.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| saskhab wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
Nevermind, it's been corrected. He is UFA at the end of this year.
I have no idea why Anaheim is doing this, unless he's a big problem in the dressing room. He's a bargain at that price and has been great in Giguere's absence the past few seasons, including the playoffs. This makes no sense if they're bringing Nieds back because Hiller's cap hit is almost 3 times as much. It makes more sense to just hold onto him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season than lose him for nothing right now. |
Ah, OK. That's what I originally thought. Some of the above comments make less sense now. Still think Tampa should be making this move, but their ownership situation kind of complicates things.
You're reading too much into Hiller's cap hit. It's a lot of performance bonuses that won't be attained as a backup, so they're just numbers and not actual dollars. Burke will pay less to Hiller than Bryzgalov by the end of this year. |
Yup, but the real dollar numbers don't matter. His entire cap hit, regardless of if he attains the bonuses, will count against their cap. That's not so much a problem if Niedermayer doesn't come back, but if he does it's a big factor.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| saskhab wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
Nevermind, it's been corrected. He is UFA at the end of this year.
I have no idea why Anaheim is doing this, unless he's a big problem in the dressing room. He's a bargain at that price and has been great in Giguere's absence the past few seasons, including the playoffs. This makes no sense if they're bringing Nieds back because Hiller's cap hit is almost 3 times as much. It makes more sense to just hold onto him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season than lose him for nothing right now. |
Ah, OK. That's what I originally thought. Some of the above comments make less sense now. Still think Tampa should be making this move, but their ownership situation kind of complicates things.
You're reading too much into Hiller's cap hit. It's a lot of performance bonuses that won't be attained as a backup, so they're just numbers and not actual dollars. Burke will pay less to Hiller than Bryzgalov by the end of this year. |
Yup, but the real dollar numbers don't matter. His entire cap hit, regardless of if he attains the bonuses, will count against their cap. That's not so much a problem if Niedermayer doesn't come back, but if he does it's a big factor. |
If you don't reach the bonuses, no it won't affect their cap hit.
The Ducks can go over the cap right now. They just had to be under when they submitted their opening day roster. If at the end of the season, the calculated cap hit for the entire season is over, then they have problems. But right now, yes, they can go "over". And if he doesn't attain the bonuses, his cap hit is only $850,000 (or the share of it when he was on the active roster).
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| saskhab wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| saskhab wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
Nevermind, it's been corrected. He is UFA at the end of this year.
I have no idea why Anaheim is doing this, unless he's a big problem in the dressing room. He's a bargain at that price and has been great in Giguere's absence the past few seasons, including the playoffs. This makes no sense if they're bringing Nieds back because Hiller's cap hit is almost 3 times as much. It makes more sense to just hold onto him and lose him for nothing at the end of the season than lose him for nothing right now. |
Ah, OK. That's what I originally thought. Some of the above comments make less sense now. Still think Tampa should be making this move, but their ownership situation kind of complicates things.
You're reading too much into Hiller's cap hit. It's a lot of performance bonuses that won't be attained as a backup, so they're just numbers and not actual dollars. Burke will pay less to Hiller than Bryzgalov by the end of this year. |
Yup, but the real dollar numbers don't matter. His entire cap hit, regardless of if he attains the bonuses, will count against their cap. That's not so much a problem if Niedermayer doesn't come back, but if he does it's a big factor. |
If you don't reach the bonuses, no it won't affect their cap hit.
The Ducks can go over the cap right now. They just had to be under when they submitted their opening day roster. If at the end of the season, the calculated cap hit for the entire season is over, then they have problems. But right now, yes, they can go "over". And if he doesn't attain the bonuses, his cap hit is only $850,000 (or the share of it when he was on the active roster). |
Ahh, I see. I thought rookie bonuses counted against the cap even before they are achieved, not just on the opening day roster. Thanks Bruce.
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Wow. They must really like Hiller. Bryz didn't exactly excel in the starts he's had though. Since he's been shopped since last season the asking price must have gotten really low and still no takers so he might actually clear waivers.
I think Carolina's weak spot is goaltending. They should take a shot.
Tampa Bay would be a good bet. Less likely now than a couple weeks ago now that Holmqvist is playing better.
I think Pittsburg should grab him, but I know nothing about Sabourin and how viable he is.
Atlanta I think is happy with Pavelec and gets Lehtonen back soon. I'd be surprised. I think a couple weeks ago they would have been all over it though.
Chicago seems to actually like Lalime.
Phoenix could definitely do it but I think Tellqvist has actually been pretty good there. Maybe go with a Brzy/Tellqvist rotation and dump or demote Auld.
LA is definitely a possibilty. Both Labarbera and Aubin have had good games and stinkers although as discussed before the problem there is not really goaltending. Good way to stick it to the Ducks though if he really excelled.
Speaking of sticking it to the Ducks - maybe Edmonton would take a shot? Rolo seems out of favor. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think Carolina's weak spot is goaltending. They should take a shot.
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With Cam Ward? Are you serious? Goaltending is the least of their problems. Getting some defensive help should be their #1 priority.
LA should take a shot, that would make Burke look reeeeeeally bad, but they seem pretty happy w/LaBarbera, I just don't think he can handle a full NHL season, I believe he started out last season pretty solid before breaking down.
Phoenix is tanking it, Bryz would only hurt matters there.
Pittsburgh seems a possibility, any trading partners they might have would immediately demand any one of their many talented young forwards, getting him off waivers would make more sense. Then again I don't think they're ready to give up on MAF just yet. Sabourin is most definitely not the answer though.
Florida might want to give serious thought about a claim. Vokoun isn't the same goalie he once was and his health is a serious question mark. |
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saskhab
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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Florida's problem is team indentity, or lack there of. And employing Greg Campbell.
Carolina there's virtually no point. Ward's the man there and Grahame may be a stiff, but he should barely play. Ward's physically in great shape and can play 60+ games no problem.
Tampa is still iffy because of the ownership situation. I think the new guys would see the advantage of Bryz and put Denis in the AHL for the rest of the year, but that onwership switch hasn't been approved yet (might be in 2 weeks at the BoG meeting though).
Yeah, at this point, Chicago won't go for Bryz. I put that assuming he had another year on his contract. Not worth it for them for just this year.
Edmonton, again no point. Both Rollie and Garon are signed through next year, just ride it out and try and shore up the team in front of them first.
Buffalo, no point.
Pittsburgh... boy, is there a point? Sabourin's playing well, the team needs improved secondary scoring and you can wait out and hope Fleury finds his game at some point. It's not panic time in goal for them, though it's close to panic time in general for them if they can't start winning.
Atlanta, depends on the seriousness of the Lehtonen injury. But why not? Gets Pavelec back in the AHL and you see if you've got a new goalie to go with Lehtonen for next year. If ownership approves, why not?
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| Atlanta, depends on the seriousness of the Lehtonen injury. But why not? Gets Pavelec back in the AHL and you see if you've got a new goalie to go with Lehtonen for next year. If ownership approves, why not? |
That's just it though, Atlanta's owners can't even decide who owns the friggin' team let alone the netminding situation. |
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saskhab
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Atlanta, depends on the seriousness of the Lehtonen injury. But why not? Gets Pavelec back in the AHL and you see if you've got a new goalie to go with Lehtonen for next year. If ownership approves, why not? |
That's just it though, Atlanta's owners can't even decide who owns the friggin' team let alone the netminding situation. |
Yeah, that's the catch. Two of these teams could be too hampered by their ownership situation to make a play on Bryz. 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think Carolina's weak spot is goaltending. They should take a shot.
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With Cam Ward? Are you serious? Goaltending is the least of their problems. Getting some defensive help should be their #1 priority.
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Dead serious. I think Ward is highly overrated. His playoff run got him the rep as a big time goalie but he was average or below average last year and pretty average so far this year. He wins games because the Canes score a ton but his GAA and save % are basically Kolzig/Labarbera territory. Grahame is not good, so if anything happens to Ward this team that right now looks like it has potential to go deep in the playoffs goes downhill fast. Grabbing Bryz gives you a legit backup in case of injury to Ward and can push him. He's cheap and only on contract for a year so there is very little downside to grabbing him and huge potential upside. |
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