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saskhab
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| I was thinking , you know how we most feel Cooke in some way or another is expendable. Just hypothetical from a Canucks persepctive , lets just say Pitts agrees to this but would you trade Cooke for Recchi straight up? |
The Penguins already have the Canucks' last pest. I doubt they'd be looking to reunite them. |
That would have been my point. Cooke's not liable to get you any more than a mid round pick, frankly... |
Neither is Recchi, though. Both of their marketplace values are probably in the neighbour hood of 4th/5th rounders.... maybe a 3rd if a team was desperate enough.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Canucks play Pitts this saturday so rumours might heat up for Recchi. If Recchi was looking at Vancouver at all , and I emphasis IF .. I would think it would happen after the game |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| looks like Recch couldnt find a deal.. he's on waivers. |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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God but does this scream Toronto  |
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kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| razzmatazz wrote: |
| God but does this scream Toronto |
Doesn't every rumor scream Toronto right now? |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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This is just speculation for this thread , but do you think there's any coincidence Vigneault made his comments on Linden as Recchi was put on waivers. Could it be Vigneault hinting to the GM to put a claim on his old soldier and help one of his lines that he thinks needs help but never actually admitted for this line in needing help.. let me explain my confusing statement...
If anyone noticed when he was criticizing Linden .. he says the no.1 line is solid , our checking line aka Kesler's line is solid , the 4th energy line is solid... no mention of the Morrison line. Is Vigneault tyring to send a subtle message to the GM?
I would say 100% Nonis wont claim Recchi on first waivers but re-entry? ... its tempting still and if he does I would think Nonis would have to move a forward out to make roster space.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I would do re-entry in an instant, but I think a number of other GMs probably would too.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ANyone know the waiver order ? |
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Bosc Ulrich II
OTP Resident Historian
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| ANyone know the waiver order ? |
Winning %, worst to first.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Location: Burnaby, B.C.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| And it's a point in time thing too, not exactly sure when it locks though... |
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kylos
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| reports say that if Recchi isn't claimed then he will probably be bought out. Either way I wouldn't take him if Linden's age and declining numbers are a concern why would anyone condone paying Recchi more to do the same or less? I don't argue that we need a genuine top 6 guy but WHo are you gonna get for what we got? And to play with MO and Cooke. I don't understand why AV hasn't tried a re-unification of the Mo milk and cookies line (mostly cause of the catchy tag) or an offensive call up Raymond didn't look bad Hansen showed great wheels and Shannon was only sent down cause he didn't need to clear waivers. But mostly Why God please tell me why has JAffray not gotten a shot to be called up? The injury bug has left the Moose and most of the players are basck so why can't their leading scorer from last year get a decent shot now that he has a two way contract. Any of these guys imo are cheaper and in the system options than Recchi or any trade being dangled work with what you got then look out of the system! oh yeah LINDEN FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!!!!! |
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| kylos wrote: |
| reports say that if Recchi isn't claimed then he will probably be bought out. Either way I wouldn't take him if Linden's age and declining numbers are a concern why would anyone condone paying Recchi more to do the same or less? I don't argue that we need a genuine top 6 guy but WHo are you gonna get for what we got? And to play with MO and Cooke. I don't understand why AV hasn't tried a re-unification of the Mo milk and cookies line (mostly cause of the catchy tag) or an offensive call up Raymond didn't look bad Hansen showed great wheels and Shannon was only sent down cause he didn't need to clear waivers. But mostly Why God please tell me why has JAffray not gotten a shot to be called up? The injury bug has left the Moose and most of the players are basck so why can't their leading scorer from last year get a decent shot now that he has a two way contract. Any of these guys imo are cheaper and in the system options than Recchi or any trade being dangled work with what you got then look out of the system! oh yeah LINDEN FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!!!!! |
I think Shannon would have been recalled by now if he wasn't injured. Like Luvah, I'm looking forward to seeing him again.
Jaffray had another good game in Manitoba last night, scoring his 9th and 10th. The problem is, if he's brought up, he has be given offensive minutes, otherwise he'll do nothing and people will wonder why he has "no hands" at the NHL level. He's probably Goren-like -- not quite good enough for the NHL, but skilled enough that he's very effective in the AHL -- but you can't reach this conclusion after 7 minutes of ice-time on the 4th line.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Recchi is supposedly being put on re-entry today but Canucks are far down on priority , sombody will claim him , his agent says there's teams interested for sure.. I get the feelng Nonis has no interest anyways. Cant blame him either , tied 3rd overall in NHL standings , might as well wait closer to the deadline to make a real deal. |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Denver
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| Recchi is supposedly being put on re-entry today but Canucks are far down on priority , sombody will claim him , his agent says there's teams interested for sure.. I get the feelng Nonis has no interest anyways. Cant blame him either , tied 3rd overall in NHL standings , might as well wait closer to the deadline to make a real deal. |
My bet is Phoenix. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Im changing my pick , I think NYI will claim him. I was thinking Boston before but their low-mid of the pack. I can see Garth Snow being interested in Recchi. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Cannots Luvah wrote: |
| Im changing my pick , I think NYI will claim him. I was thinking Boston before but their low-mid of the pack. I can see Garth Snow being interested in Recchi. |
Dunno about NYI; they're having a helluva time scoring lately, aren't they? I think I heard last night that they were averaging 1.4 goals per game over their last nine (before last night's game); adding a 40 year old Recchi is a pretty desperate move... You'd think that just being on the same ice as Crosby, Malkin, Staal, et al should be good for some decent numbers....
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the New Cunning Linguist
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So it's what? 37 games into the season... The team is 20-13-4. I realize it's probably too early to talk about this, but it's fun to think about.
After this season, the UFAs and RFAs are:
Forwards:
Naslund Naslund, $6m
Brendan Morrison, $3.2m
Matt Cooke, $1.525m
Trevor Linden, $0.6m
Byron Ritchie, $0.675m
Brad Isbister, $0.525m
Mike Brown, $0.5m
Rick Rypien, $0.475m
Ryan Shannon, $0.55m
Defence:
Aaron Miller, $1.5m
Mike Weaver, $0.6m
Goal:
Curtis Sanford, $0.6m
Drew McIntyre, $0.495m
IMO, Naslund deserves strong consideration to be re-upped. They really can't trade him given that it looks like it's going to be a real dogfight to the end in the NW division, and Vancouver will need every ounce of offence it can muster to help Luongo out. Obviously, I don't think DN can afford to hold onto him at anything close to that salary. He's 33 now, and logic suggests that his performance will begin its inevitable slide into his late 30s; there's the possibility that he can continue to be productive, and with the Sedins signed for a few more years, who's to say he won't do that. He's also been talking about raising his family back in Sweden so it won't necessarily be easy to re-sign him; of course, having a Luongo at the core always gives the team a shot at the postseason and that may be what gives DN his strongest bargaining chip. Perhaps a three-year worth close to what the Sedins are getting now in the first year, then dropping off thereafter to average $3m per ($3.5m/3.0m/2.5m); basically, he’s only as good as the Sedins can be, but his production and contribution can be expected to drop off with time. He's been the face of the organization since the late 90s and for sentimental reasons, I'd love to see him retire as a Nuck.
BMo’s injury will make it impossible to move him at the deadline; prior to it, he had been a solid second line center but is also probably the first player that DN would consider moving at the deadline. Since his injury on or about December 12, the Nucks are 4-2-1, and at least anecdotally, appear to be doing much better in the faceoff circle. Jaffray, Raymond, and Pyatt haven’t looked completely out of place or outplayed as the second/third unit, despite their lack of punch. And Kesler has been getting stronger and stronger anchoring the shutdown unit of Cooke / Kesler / Burrows. BMo is 31 now, and should have a few more years in the tank, but his numbers have been on the decline since before the lockout; I’d suggest that Kesler is probably this team’s second-best center and will be for the foreseeable future. Unless BMo is willing to sign for around $2m a season, I’d say let him go.
Buh bye, Matt Cooke. If someone inquires about him at or before the deadline, I’d say send him and get something in return.
Trevor Linden… If he continues to dog Naslund as the all-time scoring leader, why not? I’d wait and see what he does in the postseason (assuming Vancouver gets in again) and if Trevor and provide some timely scoring, why not? Is Vancouver better off re-signing Isbister / Ritchie than Linden? But please let’s not jerk him around in the offseason again – that was humiliating enough.
Isbister / Ritchie: The jury is still out. I like how Isbister plays when he wants to; I’d actually rate Ritchie higher right now – he seems to be more aware than Isbister appears to be.
The top six defense is pretty much set with Mitchell, Edler, Ohlund, Salo, Krajicek and BXA. But DN and AV love their #7 and 8 defencemen (presently Miller and Weaver). BMo notwithstanding, I think this is where DN has some bargaining chips. Of those six, I think one of Krajicek and Ohlund are the two I’d consider moving if I were DN, along with Weaver who continues to be an adventure at the point, if anyone is willing to take him. Does Ohlund have an NTC? As injury-prone as Salo is, I think they need to keep him because his shot gives the PP more room to operate. I love what Mitchell does; Edler is untouchable and BXA just signed an extension. Bourdon looked much better during his last stint and may be ready to take the next step. I can see the core d next season could look like Mitchell/Edler, BXA/Salo, with Miller/Krajicek being last pairing with Bourdon and Player-to-be-named-later as the #7/8 defencemen. So I guess what I’m saying is move one of Ohlund or Krajicek and move Weaver, and see if Miller will re-sign for another year.
Definitely re-sign Sanford. And for as long as he is willing to be Luongo’s understudy/bellboy.
Thoughts?
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Yes, Öhlund has a no-trade clause. Bieksa and Krajicek are the only two signed regulars without one, and I don't think the Canucks would ever get fair market value for Krajicek, as he's not a household name despite being the team's best defenseman for much of this season. Meaning BXA is the guy most likely to go (he has more hype = more return).
Ritchie and Isbister are just one-year filler. Vigneault seems to love Ritchie for some reason, so I could see him being brought back, but I don't think they ever realistically planned for Isbister to stick around more than a year. Cooke will be gone too, I assume.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, only better
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| Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
Yes, Öhlund has a no-trade clause. Bieksa and Krajicek are the only two signed regulars without one, and I don't think the Canucks would ever get fair market value for Krajicek, as he's not a household name despite being the team's best defenseman for much of this season. Meaning BXA is the guy most likely to go (he has more hype = more return).
Ritchie and Isbister are just one-year filler. Vigneault seems to love Ritchie for some reason, so I could see him being brought back, but I don't think they ever realistically planned for Isbister to stick around more than a year. Cooke will be gone too, I assume. |
I'm thinking that there may be some caution wrt to BXA given this serious injury. I agree that Krajicek would be undervalued and for that reason alone, I'd prefer to keep him - he's also a good puck-moving defenceman, but he lacks the shot that BXA or Salo or even Ohlund have (not that they are equivalent), and I would think twice before putting him in shutdown role given that he isn't known to play the body all that well. For the right team (some Eastern conference team - perhaps Boston or Tampa), I think Öhlund might agree and given that he's still under contract for another year, he might be attractive to another team. Nevertheless, I agree that BXA and Krajicek are the most likely to go; of the two, I'd prefer to keep BXA's toughness.
I like Ritchie, too, and I think Isbister is simply holding down a spot until Rick Rypien can come back from his injuries... Which, given Rypien's health and misfortune, means a level of job certainty for Isbister or someone like him in the long-term. Like Ritchie, I think AV loves Rypien and would probably give him Cooke's ice time if he had his way.
You really think Krajicek has been their best defenceman? I would have voted Edler given that I think he's had more ice time...
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