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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:

You're absolutely right dude; this guy is a freakin' queen! "I'm excited to be rejoining my teammates and getting back on the ice," said Niedermayer. "I would like to thank the Samuelis, Brian Burke and especially my teammates for their patience while I wrestled with this very difficult decision." He just better put up some decent numbers for my fantasy hockey teams is all I can say! _________________ My anger is a gift!

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

Apparently the trade target is Schneider, and apparently there's a market for him: http://tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/darren_dreger/ San Jose? I know Montreal has the best PP in the league, but would there be interest there? Washington? Looking at it, there are quite a few teams who could afford him, but whether they want to for two years could be a different story. _________________ Bring back the old OTP!

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:00 am Post subject:

Bosc Ulrich II wrote:

Apparently the trade target is Schneider, and apparently there's a market for him:

http://tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/darren_dreger/

San Jose? I know Montreal has the best PP in the league, but would there be interest there? Washington? Looking at it, there are quite a few teams who could afford him, but whether they want to for two years could be a different story.

For Montreal, as of right now, it seems somewhat unlikely we'll re-sign any of our potential UFA's (which could change by year's end, of course). That includes Huet, Ryder, Smolinski, Brisebois and Streit. Two of those are PP d-men, so there's potential there for sure (and some money). But do we really want to put so much money on our backend with glaring holes up front?

With San Jose... they have a lot of money already commited to next year already and it's very uncertain they'll spend up to the cap to begin with. They've got a core of Thornton, Marleau, Nabokov, Michalek, Carle, Rivet, and Cheechoo locked up to multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts that are all on the books for next year.

Washington is possible, but there will be a lot of competition from teams like them. How about Columbus? Carolina? If Bergeron is on LTIR for the rest of the year, Boston could come into play as well.

I think Edmonton might be out of the question, though. Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:14 am Post subject:

saskhab wrote:

Washington is possible, but there will be a lot of competition from teams like them. How about Columbus? Carolina? If Bergeron is on LTIR for the rest of the year, Boston could come into play as well.

I think Edmonton might be out of the question, though. Rolling Eyes

Yeah, Columbus and Carolina were also destinations that I looked at. Carolina's cap hit is about 47 million right now, and they have a lot of holes to fill on D next season, so who knows. Columbus is a possibility.

We're forgetting the Leafs, of course Laughing

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:11 am Post subject:

http://tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=224549 Apparently the Ducks don't need to worry too much about getting under the cap for next year with Nieds back. When projecting next year's cap figure, there are credits that can be applied to that number. It's something a little more complex but I think it's understnadable. Anyways, Anaheim needs to drop about $880,000 in salary for next year to bring Niedermeyer back. Much easier to move that. Still, Marchant has to be the #1 target from Burke's point of view, with O'Donnell probably the #2 target. Moving a serviceable guy like Shane Hnidy gets them closer, but not fully past it. _________________ "Oh my God. There she is. Lovely Sally Slater. I should speak to her. But what the hell can I say? Anything that doesn't mention that I masturbate over her memory is probably a good idea." - Mark Corrigan, Peep Show

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:15 am Post subject:

saskhab wrote:

http://tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=224549

Apparently the Ducks don't need to worry too much about getting under the cap for next year with Nieds back. When projecting next year's cap figure, there are credits that can be applied to that number. It's something a little more complex but I think it's understnadable.

Anyways, Anaheim needs to drop about $880,000 in salary for next year to bring Niedermeyer back. Much easier to move that. Still, Marchant has to be the #1 target from Burke's point of view, with O'Donnell probably the #2 target. Moving a serviceable guy like Shane Hnidy gets them closer, but not fully past it.

Is that room before or after they get Perry under contract?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:24 am Post subject:

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saskhab wrote:

Is that room before or after they get Perry under contract?

Before. Perry is a potential RFA, so as of right now, there is no commitment to him.

That being said, if this is Nieds' last kick at the can for sure, there will be plenty of space for Perry. Plus, whatever extra room the Ducks may have with a cap increase (which Bettman is again projecting from the last BoG meeting).

I assume this credits program that is in place is for precisely this reason, the actual cap figure for each year beyond the current one is an unknown, but this allows contracts to be negotiated in good faith with pending free agents in spite of that.

Burke is treading a fine line here, but for this year at least he looks okay.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject:

I hate the Roger Clemens approach to sports. If this trend catches on, in 20 years, the first half of the season will be rookies/mediocre players and the latter half of the season will be stars getting in shape. If your not hurt, play from the start of the season or stay home. To do otherwise cheapens the season and then cheapens the sport, in favour of personal preference. I've lost alot of respect for Niedermeyer over this - not that he cares _________________ The fans represent the soul of the organization. This is their team. Us, we simply try to make it better. They tell us when things are going good, and when they are less so. We don't always give them the impression that we are listening, but we are.

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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

I hate the Roger Clemens approach to sports. If this trend catches on, in 20 years, the first half of the season will be rookies/mediocre players and the latter half of the season will be stars getting in shape. If your not hurt, play from the start of the season or stay home. To do otherwise cheapens the season and then cheapens the sport, in favour of personal preference. I've lost alot of respect for Niedermeyer over this - not that he cares Laughing

This is different in that he's already under contract to his team and they have a cap and other players to worry about. Roger only has himself to worry about because he wasn't under contract.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject:

Now other current Ducks, especially Mathieu Schneider, are apparently quite nervous about being traded to make cap room for Niedermayer's return. http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-spw-duckrep8dec08,1,6941405.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-ducks _________________ "The greatest victory a man can win is victory over himself." Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi

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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject:

Bosc Ulrich II wrote:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

This is different in that he's already under contract to his team and they have a cap and other players to worry about.

I'm not sure what your point is Bosc. Yeah he was under contract, but he didn't count against the cap.... What is relevant is that he spent 2 months of the season wondering whether he wants to return.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject:

RW wrote:

Now other current Ducks, especially Mathieu Schneider, are apparently quite nervous about being traded to make cap room for Niedermayer's return.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-spw-duckrep8dec08,1,6941405.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-ducks

Another reason why this kind of approach to the game sucks.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

Bosc Ulrich II wrote:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

This is different in that he's already under contract to his team and they have a cap and other players to worry about.

All Clemens did was make a decision if he wanted to return and to what team to return to. He was simply a free agent, and not committed to anyone. The Yankees didn't have to worry about if their star player and reigning playoff MVP was going to return to the team. No, Niedermayer wasn't counting against the cap because he was suspended, but he sure as hell was if he was returning, so Burke was forced to make decisions about what players to sign to what contracts, and worry about replacements. I guess my point was that Niedermayer's pending decision had more of an impact on his team simply because he was under contract to a team(which you said too). Clemens' decision wouldn't have an impact on any team until he actually signed there. I was just pointing out the difference.

I forget what my solution was to this nonsense that I posted on the old board. I think it was something along the lines of if the player doesn't report to camp or opening day, then his salary should count against the cap for the entire season if he isn't going to file his retirement papers. or maybe once the player comes back, he should be suspended for an equal amount of games that he sat out, with his salary counting against the cap during that suspension.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject:

Bell Centre Ghost wrote:

RW wrote:

Another reason why this kind of approach to the game sucks.

It does suck. But that's the problem with the current CBA / salary cap. I'd love to be able to return to a no salary cap CBA from the stand point of being a Red Wings fan but for better or worse it's the system the NHL is currently working under. I also believe that the biggest problem with the Ducks isn't Niedermayer returning but re-signing soon to be RFA Corey Perry next summer. If Burke was worried about potential cap space issues he should not have signed Schnieder and Bertuzzi to such big contracts last summer. Burke knew what he was doing and he ended up hoisting himself on his own petard. I don't feel one bit sorry for the Ducks' organization. The guy(s) who might get screwed over and traded by Niedermayer's return, yes, I feel sorry for them. Maybe not so much for Schnieder because, from the gist of the LA Times article, he seemed to know from the get go what might happen. He's an old pro, he'll likely land with somebody but Burke might have to eat a considerable part of his salary like the Capitals did for the Rangers when they traded Jagr. Nobody out in NHL land is going to be in a hurry to bail BB's balls out of the fire, not when he stuck 'em in there. I do believe that Niedermayer's salary is to be pro-rated for the length of time he was out. they'll have to cover about $4,300,000 USD for the remainder of this year, the full amount next year. His return will still put the Ducks roughly $900,000 USD to $1,000,000 USD over the cap. Scnieder is at $5,500,000 USD this year and $5,750,000 next year. He'll be tough to move. He's making even more than Pronger. My personal bet is that it will be Francois Beauchemin who gets dealt. He's young and he's relatively inexpensive. With Perry's FA they may have to move more people.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:26 am Post subject:

RW wrote:

My personal bet is that it will be Francois Beauchemin who gets dealt. He's young and he's relatively inexpensive. With Perry's FA they may have to move more people.

I think the Ducks would be insane to move Beauchemin. He's making only about a mil and a half this season and next year, and leads all of their defense in ice time, impregnator and the jake(in the playoffs) included. I'm intrested to see what happens and I don't think that burying someone in the AHL is an option considering that Burke is already spending over the amount that the owners wanted him to. To me, he's going to be forced to move a bigger salaried and less valuable player than Beauchemin.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject:

Of course it looks dumb for the Ducks to have give up Beauchemin. I'm saying that Burke has neatly painted himself into a corner of his own making and nobody else much feels like helping him out of it. He's the guy who signed Schieder and Bertuzzi to big contracts last summer. Why would any other NHL team want to take over his salary problems? Who's going to want to help Burke out of his self made problems by taking a higher priced player? I certainly don't think anyone's going to be beating down the door to take Schieder off his hands at $5.5 mil. Why solve Burke's problems so that he lay the beatdown on you later with Niedermayer and Perry? If I was an NHL exec I'd be looking at bending Burke and the Ducks over the table and giving it to them without KY jelly. _________________ "The greatest victory a man can win is victory over himself." Johann Heinrich Pestalozzi

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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

RW wrote:

Of course it looks dumb for the Ducks to have give up Beauchemin. I'm saying that Burke has neatly painted himself into a corner of his own making and nobody else much feels like helping him out of it. He's the guy who signed Schieder and Bertuzzi to big contracts last summer. Why would any other NHL team want to take over his salary problems? Who's going to want to help Burke out of his self made problems by taking a higher priced player? I certainly don't think anyone's going to be beating down the door to take Schieder off his hands at $5.5 mil. Why solve Burke's problems so that he lay the beatdown on you later with Niedermayer and Perry? If I was an NHL exec I'd be looking at bending Burke and the Ducks over the table and giving it to them without KY jelly.

Oh I agree with you on all counts, I'm just saying that despite all this, I'd still be surprised if Beauchemin is the first guy to get moved. I don't think anyone will give up something significant for Schneider(unless he calls up Waddell), but perhaps there might be someone interested at the right price. Of course, he got nothing for Bryzgalov so we'll see.
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:

If anybody, the Ducks should move Niedermayer. That would be the ultimate 'fuck you too' OR! They could always move brother Rob! If Burke doesn't do one of the two, he's just as much a skirt as S. Niedermayer. _________________ My anger is a gift!

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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject:

Bosc Ulrich II wrote:

All Clemens did was make a decision if he wanted to return and to what team to return to. He was simply a free agent, and not committed to anyone.

Well if that's how you feel then..........Fuck you and so long

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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

Santa Butch wrote:

Bosc Ulrich II wrote:

All Clemens did was make a decision if he wanted to return and to what team to return to. He was simply a free agent, and not committed to anyone.

Well if that's how you feel then..........Fuck you and so long

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Gimme a break Butchy Laughing

I didn't say that I agreed or supported his decision, I just said that in comparison to Nieds, he didn't have a team who he was under contract to that his decision affected.
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