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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1864
Location: Ottawa, ON
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Thursday, December 27, 2007
7:00 p.m. PST, 8:00 p.m. MST
TV: CBC (HD)
Apparently both Kesler and Öhlund are out for this game, as well as the usuals. My expectations are not high.
Miscellaneous stats:
When leading after one period, Calgary bats .625, Vancouver bats .909
Whean leading after two periods, Calgary bats .750, Vancouver bats 1.000
When trailing after one period, Calgary bats .286, Vancouver bats .154
When trailing after two periods, Calgary bats .133, Vancouver bats .000
So in other words, everything we believe is confirmed: the Canucks are more defensive than the Flames. 
Against the Flames (players selected somewhat randomly -- not leaders)
Markus Näslund (67 GP, 30 G, 32 A, 62 P)
Sami Salo (26 GP, 7 G, 9 A, 16 P)
Matt Cooke (38 GP, 1 G, 10 A, 11 P)
Brad Isbister (20 GP, 3 G, 2 A, 5 P)
Roberto Luongo (13 GP, 7-5-1-0, 2.86, .911)
Against the Canucks (same deal)
Jarome Iginla (57 GP, 20 G, 28 A, 48 P)
Kristian Huselius (21 GP, 8 G, 9 A, 17 P)
Matthew Lombardi (23 GP, 4 G, 4 A, 8 P)
Adrian Aucoin (14 GP, 3 G, 1 A, 4 P)
Miika Kiprusoff (26 GP, 12-10-0-4, 2.71, .900)
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harmfuljays
King of Men
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Djibouti
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Nucks looked good tonight. Flames D was porous and their netminding wasn't particularly good either. Keenan's decision to roll Smith, Primeau and some other joker (being Yelle) continuously in the 3rd was questionable........can't say as I enjoy his coaching style.
Nucks finding a way to get it done with a few injuries. Luongo was a hell of a move.
I liked the fact that the Nucks didn't get rattled when the Flames tied and instead weathered the storm and took the game back.
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Captain Chaos
(Formerly Lieutenant Chaos)
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 412
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| Unusually high scoring game for this match-up, it made a very entertaining game to watch. Loved the Raymond goal. Surprised Kipper got the hook. |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 1996
Location: Denver
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Still just flabbergasted at how badly the Flames play in their own zone these days. Hard to believe not two seasons ago this was the best defensive team in the league. I realize a big reason behind the recent change is Kipper not playing up to his usual standards, but... |
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MrBumpnGrind
Illegitimate Luongo Child
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 299
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| that first sedin goal was awesome! |
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harmfuljays
King of Men
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Posts: 1273
Location: Djibouti
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:33 am Post subject: |
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well any D that rotates Anders Erickson in their top 6 is not destined to be very good in their own end.....
I think the loss of Hammerdick has really hurt them. But anyway I liked the sister to sister goal on the PP. That was a thing of beauty.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1668
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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I was very impressed with the aggressive forecheck of the Flames... Drove me nuts to watch Vancouver's d give up the blueline so willingly; it almost cost them the game. It did remind me a lot of the way Crawford's Canucks teams played - lots of offence, tons of speed on the attack, defencemen picking off clearing passes, forwards cutting off the boards... Conroy looked really dangerous in the third period. That said, there seemed to be very little support for the goalie in terms of clearing away pucks and rebounds - the broadcast crew got on Kipprusoff for his rebound control but when there are two or three Flames in front of their goalie and Taylor Pyatt beats them to the rebound, you know there's something wrong... Still, I don't quite understand Keenan's logic - his team came back from being down two goals at 3-1 to tie it, why didn't he think his team couldn't or wouldn't come back from 5-3? They almost did...
Krajicek looked like he was having a bit of a rough night; and Edler almost scoring on his own goal.  Some great backchecking from Pyatt late in the game. Awesome game by the Jaffray / Raymond / Pyatt - Pyatt looks like he's finally learned to use that big body of his in a good way. Isbister played well too at least in the third period. Sedins again have their way with Calgary. I think the CBC said they had six points again tonight, versus Iginla / Langkow / Huselius which combined for just the single for Iggy.
Click here for the NHL Recap, Post-Game Summary, and the Event Summary.
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Whistler
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Whistler
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: |
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I'm beginning to like these injury riddled rosters.
Our young guns and utility players are much more visible and it seems they get the job done when called on to step up.
Raymond looks like the real deal.
Edler, despite the shot on goal, is a solid top six guy,
Krajicek continues to impress.
First time I've really noticed Ritchie, but he looked good.
Pyatt & Isbister were factors out there,
Cookie is doing a good job at being Cookie.
Burrows continues to shine
The triplets were strong and Nazzy was stepping it up on the back check.
It even looked like Linden had a bit more heart than in some regular season games.
It was good to see the twins killing the 4-minute penalty.
They're pretty good at it and it keeps them in the game.
Tough game for Bobby Lou.
Not much he can do with those deflections but he made a great stop on Edler 
I usually like Vancouver/Calgary games and this one was very entertaining.
Good way to start the (psychological) second half.
Who's wearing the other 'A' with Morrison out? I didn't notice.
I'd give it to Kesler when he returns if it is still up for grabs.
[EDIT...Mitchel has it tonight....ah well....he would have been my second choice anyway and Kesler isn't available...or does Ohlund wear it when he's in the roster?]
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1668
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| harmfuljays wrote: |
| well any D that rotates Anders Erickson in their top 6 is not destined to be very good in their own end..... |
And to be Todd Bertuzzied for position by Henrik Sedin...
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| With the game tied 3-3 late in the second period, [Henrik] parked himself in front of the Calgary goal, pushed defenceman Anders Eriksson aside and tapped a pass from Daniel Sedin between goaltender Miikka Kiprusoff's legs. |
Of course, I'd argue that if he was that bad, why did Keenan have him out on the PK with the score tied 3-3?
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1864
Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Some thoughts:
- if the aliens landed last night and that NHL hockey game was the first human contact they had, they'd be hard pressed not to think Mason Raymond was a star player in the league. Not just because of what he did with the puck, but the way he did it -- with authority and confidence. He looked genuinely dangerous with his speed and shiftiness. Can't quite think who it reminds me of, though perhaps a guy on HFBoards had it right when he said Kariya. (Calm down, not saying he's Paul Kariya).
- Pyatt was something special last night. Was just doing everything right. Nice to see. I think he enjoys being a bit of a 'veteran' on that line (though Jaffray is actually older than him, right?)
- I'm going to come right out and say it: I liked Brad Isbister's game last night.
- What exception could David Hale have possibly taken to Cooke's hit? It looked completely clean to me -- not just Cooke-clean, but anyone-clean.
- the no-goal was, to me, the right call for the wrong reason. I don't think it's controversial that a referee can change his call before he "goes upstairs" (which shifts the burden of proof for the purposes of the review), though McGeough obviously should have signalled it better. But to me, the replay was conclusive. It doesn't matter that there were angles where it looked less certain -- there were also angles where it looked completely certain. Since both obviously can't be true, a less clear replay doesn't overrule conclusivity from a different angle unless it actually shows the opposite, which it didn't in this case (no replay clearly showed the stick not touching). A bank robber caught clearly on film doesn't get off because there was another camera in which his picture was blurrier.
The puck's trajectory changed precisely as you'd expect it to if that stick hit it. If Miller tips it, it flutters up (or shifts course very slightly), it doesn't angle perfectly downward in a straight line. And I think Craig Simpson's point about the celebration was bang-on -- while it can't be used as any sort of proof for the review, I do think it was proof that the right call was made.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Posts: 1668
Location: I'm here, aren't I?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: |
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I believe McGeough (sp?) looked a little hesitant to call it a goal - anything short of him windmilling his arms to wave off a goal or pointing repeatedly at the puck in the net for dramatic effect, with him seems to me at least, to be a signal that he himself isn't sure it was a valid goal. He was immediately approached by the other on-ice referee moments after the play was called dead. According to the CBC, they conferred and, while he initially called it a goal (the puck was in the net after all), I think the official on-ice call was no-goal. From his vantage point (to Luongo's right), it would have been nearly impossible to tell who deflected the puck, hence his reluctance to call it either way.
Another way to look at it is (and am I the only one that thinks this is beginning to sound like that Seinfeld episode about the spit wad from the grassy knoll?) that Miller was going from Luongo's right to left, while Smith was going left to right - the puck was coming from Luongo's left and was on a trajectory that looked like it would go directly over his head. If Miller touched the puck with his glove, the puck should deflect towards Luongo's left (same direction as Miller was moving). Instead the puck went down and slightly to Luongo's right and between his legs, which is consistent with the puck touching Smith's stick.
Nonetheless, it was an entertaining affair (probably a bit maddening for AV and his staff, though). Without two (BXA, Ohlund) of their top 4 defenceman, without their #2 center (BMo) and best two-way center (Kesler) and their toughest player (Cowan), and with kids and AHL-level callups (Edler, Jaffray, "MayRay" (how gay is that?), Weaver, and Brown) to fill in and they still come away with the two points... Better yet, they don't allow the Flames to even get a point.
With BXA's and BMo's injuries being nearly the entire season, I can see Edler and perhaps Raymond given his speed and puckhandling continuing to build on their confidence... I agree that that Pyatt / Raymond / Jaffray line (Ay-team? Tay/MayRay/Jaffray? ) looks better and better, especially with Pyatt creating space for the other two with his big body. I liked Isbister's game last night, too. More of that and he could earn consideration for another season; Lord knows Vancouver can use his size.
Cooke's hit was clean - I think Hale was just frustrated and saw it as an opportunity to fight Cooke.
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Edler passed the Lars Lindgren trials. He did not score an own goal to kill his team and his career.
Kipper use to be a thorn in Vancouver's side , he was Sanford like vs Van but the last two seasons he's been Cujo like vs Van , the Sedins have his number.
With all the injuries including Luongos , it does one thing , if validates Vingeualt's Jack Adams award a little bit against the " it was Luongo" critics. He's a good coach. He's making due with what he has and doing it well. |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of Cooke , he has gotten into two fights inthe last two weeks (more than he has in the last two seasons) , you think Cooke reads the press clippings or hears the ramblings of everyone calling him a coward.
I like Ritchie , he's struggled at centre to start and still isnt the best option though he played well last night but I give the whole team a mulligan at the start caz everybody sucked balls in the first 10 games(including Ryan Shannon DAMMIT!). Even if he Ritchie's game isnt as astute , I like his passion and his fire , he jumps in and fights anybody to stick up for his team or energize his team( he was the guy Souray broke his hand on!). He understands his role. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| (Ay-team? Tay/MayRay/Jaffray? ) |
I was thinking you go with Jaffray's first name and make it MayRayTayJay or something...
At the same time, it's funny to have a guy called "Taylor" and a guy called "Mason" on the same line. If Jaffray was called Smith or something, they could be the "Guild Line" or the "Trades Line" or something. 
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| (Ay-team? Tay/MayRay/Jaffray? ) |
I was thinking you go with Jaffray's first name and make it MayRayTayJay or something...
At the same time, it's funny to have a guy called "Taylor" and a guy called "Mason" on the same line. If Jaffray was called Smith or something, they could be the "Guild Line" or the "Trades Line" or something. |
MayRayTayJayJaffray?
I like the idea of a Trades line... We could just appoint Jaffray the designated plumber on the line... Still, the best line name in recent years goes to the Mattress Line... Although the Bruthaz wasn't bad. WCE wasn't really all that clever, IMO. "Mo', Milk and Cookies" was okay, but probably didn't get a whole lot of traction... Don't even get me started on the Tre Kroner line . The 'O-line' is kind of obscure. Is there an official or unofficial name for their Swedish five man unit (Daniel/Henrik/Naslund/Edler/Ohlund)?
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Mike Weaver jersey on order
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Jaffray and Raymond remind me of when Cooke , Shaefer and Druken were called up way back when and playing themselves into the line up as call up kids. Im not talking same style , just the idea of two call up kids giving their team a shot in the arm.
Though Jaffray isnt exactly a "kid" anymore. |
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harmfuljays
King of Men
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| harmfuljays wrote: |
| well any D that rotates Anders Erickson in their top 6 is not destined to be very good in their own end..... |
And to be Todd Bertuzzied for position by Henrik Sedin...
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| With the game tied 3-3 late in the second period, [Henrik] parked himself in front of the Calgary goal, pushed defenceman Anders Eriksson aside and tapped a pass from Daniel Sedin between goaltender Miikka Kiprusoff's legs. |
Of course, I'd argue that if he was that bad, why did Keenan have him out on the PK with the score tied 3-3? |
Anders Ericksson is just plain bad....I can't explain Keenan's absolute hard on for him. But then again i can't explain a lot of the things that Keenan does. Kind of detracts me from enjoying Flames games this season. I enjoy the scoring as much as the next guy and it would be a great schema if Kipper actually put up the forcefield.
Well anyway I will see you folks on New Years eve again. Thanks for having me.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| harmfuljays wrote: |
| I can't explain Keenan's absolute hard on for him. But then again i can't explain a lot of the things that Keenan does. Kind of detracts me from enjoying Flames games this season. I enjoy the scoring as much as the next guy and it would be a great schema if Kipper actually put up the forcefield. |
The guys in CalgaryPuck really seem to have it for Kipper. Sure he isn't playing that great, but I'd argue that some of those goals could have been prevented with a little more aggressive backcheck by the forwards, and support from the defencemen.
1st goal: Raymond has both jets going and gets around a defenceman - Kipper makes the first save, but the rebound goes right to Raymond's stick and he bats in his own rebound. One could argue that his rebound control was poor, but where was the backcheck from the d or forwards? Why was Raymond allowed to put his stick on the rebound at all? Or even get around the defence? Suggests slow-footedness or poor positioning by the defencemen.
2nd goal: Sedinian spinarama - was that Sarich or Regehr on d? I think the defenceman got enough of the puck to deflect it between Kipper's legs - anytime a defenceman can get a piece of the puck, he should be able to block it or deflect it out of harm's way. And how come he didn't hit Sedin? Sure he spun around but he wasn't near the boards - he could have given him a shot to at least throw off his timing...
3rd goal: PP goal from Salo - screened by the forward (Conroy?). If Salo has the time to lean into it and gets a good screen in front of the goalie, it's a tough thing to stop.
4th goal: Go ahead goal late in the second - Henrik parks in front of Kipper and gets a gimme. Erickson should have stayed with his man and at least tied up his stick. Kipper was completely hung out to dry on that play. And WTF was the defenceman doing jumping up to hit Ritchie when he already had body position? Of course he's going to get a call if he leaves his feet.
5th goal: Pyatt picks up Raymond's rebound and scores with three Phlegms within 5 yards of him (not including Kipper). None of the Phlegms laid a hand on Pyatt nor did they try to tie up his stick.
It's clear that Keenan still doesn't bother to teach his players to play defence.
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