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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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Everyone seems to want him to move on, but there aren't a ton of Plan B's out there.
I also don't think the captaincy really matters, so I somewhat roll my eyes at those who say "re-sign only if he relinquishes the captaincy!"
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Markus Naslund UFA Watch... |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/simpson/2008/03/naslund_will_be_a_catch_on_the.html
Might as well start this now... Do you think DN should re-sign him or let him go to free agency? |
As long as we can get him for under 4 million,Than I say re-sign him,Why not?? |
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
| Everyone seems to want him to move on, but there aren't a ton of Plan B's out there. |
The UFA market doesn't look like it will be well-stocked at all this summer. After you take out the obvious re-signings (Sakic & Sundin) and the one remaining marquee UFA (Hossa) forward, there isn't much left.
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HOLLYWOOD35
Joined: 24 Oct 2007
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Location: Langley, BC
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| offer him 4 mill a year and see what happens. does somebody else offer him more. or does he go home. I don't think he's done yet. |
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Av-merican
Un-Tenured Professor of Hockey
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Denver
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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If it didn't fall on such a crappy free-agency year I'd say let him walk. That being said the only way you're gonna get a viable scorer to take his place is via trade, and that means either Bourdon or Edler gotta go, not certain anyone's going to give up much for Grabner, whom Nonis seems to have soured on big-time.
Morrison's a UFA though right? I think it's definitely time to let him go. He hasn't been effective for the last 3 years or so and is only getting more brittle. |
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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The funny thing is that last summer everyone was looking at 2008 as the "huge UFA crop". It seems people forgot that GMs are aware of this and wish to re-sign the Dany Heatleys of the world. All of a sudden, we're looking at a pretty sorry UFA crop!
I'll give the CBA some credit here which I never expected: its overdose of free agency does make GMs act earlier in terms of re-signing players, thus mitigating the player movement to a pretty significant extent.
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
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| I'll give the CBA some credit here which I never expected: its overdose of free agency does make GMs act earlier in terms of re-signing players, thus mitigating the player movement to a pretty significant extent. |
Good observation. That combined with the hyper-inflation of UFAs the last summer has really forced GMs to get this done a lot sooner; if they can sign a known commodity now and perhaps overpay a little, so be it, at least no one else is bidding up the price; the risk of having to paying too much for a quality player when you are bidding against 29 other teams is too high. And it's not just the UFAs but the RFAs are also now considered fair game; they are still overpaying for them, at least from my perspective.
With that in mind, I think DN would be wise to send feelers out to find out what Markus wants to do - stay with the club, test the FA waters, or retire.
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Jyrki21 wrote: |
The funny thing is that last summer everyone was looking at 2008 as the "huge UFA crop". It seems people forgot that GMs are aware of this and wish to re-sign the Dany Heatleys of the world. All of a sudden, we're looking at a pretty sorry UFA crop!
I'll give the CBA some credit here which I never expected: its overdose of free agency does make GMs act earlier in terms of re-signing players, thus mitigating the player movement to a pretty significant extent. |
You mean makes GM's panic and hand out ridiculously bad contracts that even their successor won't be able to rid themselves of, right?
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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| You mean makes GM's panic and hand out ridiculously bad contracts that even their successor won't be able to rid themselves of, right? |
Essentially, yes.  And I'm cool with that, I like player stability as long as it doesn't hurt the team I cheer for.
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Tuzer
No longer Croozing
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
Morrison's a UFA though right? I think it's definitely time to let him go. He hasn't been effective for the last 3 years or so and is only getting more brittle. |
19-20 goals a year can hardly be construed as not being effective and not missing a game since 1999 until this year can hardly be called brittle
I really like Morrison and I believe Nonis would be a fool to let an asset like him get away,He's a BC boy and he wants to play for his hometown club so if we can get him for a reasonable amount I say sign him up. |
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the New Cunning Linguist
Like a good neighbor, but not
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| BurrTuzer wrote: |
| Av-merican wrote: |
Morrison's a UFA though right? I think it's definitely time to let him go. He hasn't been effective for the last 3 years or so and is only getting more brittle. |
19-20 goals a year can hardly be construed as not being effective and not missing a game since 1999 until this year can hardly be called brittle
I really like Morrison and I believe Nonis would be a fool to let an asset like him get away,He's a BC boy and he wants to play for his hometown club so if we can get him for a reasonable amount I say sign him up. |
Yeah, I agree with Tuzer. He might be overpaid for a 20 goal second line center but I think it was BB who gave him that contract at the height of the WCE.
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saskhab
'03-'04 Goalie Profiles Coming Soon!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| BurrTuzer wrote: |
| Av-merican wrote: |
Morrison's a UFA though right? I think it's definitely time to let him go. He hasn't been effective for the last 3 years or so and is only getting more brittle. |
19-20 goals a year can hardly be construed as not being effective and not missing a game since 1999 until this year can hardly be called brittle
I really like Morrison and I believe Nonis would be a fool to let an asset like him get away,He's a BC boy and he wants to play for his hometown club so if we can get him for a reasonable amount I say sign him up. |
Yeah, I agree with Tuzer. He might be overpaid for a 20 goal second line center but I think it was BB who gave him that contract at the height of the WCE. |
No, that contract was given to him right after the lockout by Nonis.
I'm doing a curious check of salaries around the NHL right now, finding out who is still getting paid 24% less because they have a pre-lockout contract. There won't be many left after this year... Alfredsson, however, is the guy that lost the most money, but with Yashin's buyout, that's the pre-lockout mistake that effects the team the longest.
The Canucks have no contract that wasn't negotiated under the terms of the current CBA.
Just as an example, Calgary's cap hit has had the benefit of having 3 players on their current roster who still had the 24% paycut factored in (Langkow, Conroy, and Regehr). But all 3 players' contracts expire at the end of this year.
I seriously think that next year, there will only be 5 or so players who are still feeling the 24% hit.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| saskhab wrote: |
I'm doing a curious check of salaries around the NHL right now, finding out who is still getting paid 24% less because they have a pre-lockout contract. There won't be many left after this year... Alfredsson, however, is the guy that lost the most money, but with Yashin's buyout, that's the pre-lockout mistake that effects the team the longest.
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How's Alfy lost more than Jagr and Fedorov?
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saskhab
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| saskhab wrote: |
I'm doing a curious check of salaries around the NHL right now, finding out who is still getting paid 24% less because they have a pre-lockout contract. There won't be many left after this year... Alfredsson, however, is the guy that lost the most money, but with Yashin's buyout, that's the pre-lockout mistake that effects the team the longest.
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How's Alfy lost more than Jagr and Fedorov? |
His contract length is ridiculous. I'm not sure when he signed the deal, but his option years take him until 2011-12. Not sure if it's the most money, but it's definitely for the longest period of time.
And yes... it is only 5 players next year that still have 24% discounts: Marchant, Madden, Brylin, Alfredsson, and if his option kicks in (which apparently it won't, because it's performance based) Jagr. So likely only 4. A lot of pre-lockout contracts expire on July 1.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| saskhab wrote: |
| Bosc Ulrich II wrote: |
| saskhab wrote: |
I'm doing a curious check of salaries around the NHL right now, finding out who is still getting paid 24% less because they have a pre-lockout contract. There won't be many left after this year... Alfredsson, however, is the guy that lost the most money, but with Yashin's buyout, that's the pre-lockout mistake that effects the team the longest.
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How's Alfy lost more than Jagr and Fedorov? |
His contract length is ridiculous. I'm not sure when he signed the deal, but his option years take him until 2011-12. Not sure if it's the most money, but it's definitely for the longest period of time.
And yes... it is only 5 players next year that still have 24% discounts: Marchant, Madden, Brylin, Alfredsson, and if his option kicks in (which apparently it won't, because it's performance based) Jagr. So likely only 4. A lot of pre-lockout contracts expire on July 1. |
He signed after 03-04, he signed for 5 years + 3 option years. So yeah with the option years maybe he stands to lose more dollars than Jagr and Fedorov.
$3.8 cash and $4.4 hit? I think Ottawa takes that
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freakydave
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Everyone seems to want him to move on, but there aren't a ton of Plan B's out there.
I also don't think the captaincy really matters, so I somewhat roll my eyes at those who say "re-sign only if he relinquishes the captaincy!" |
I agree--have a good look at what's available on the ufa mkt & then realize that there are more buyers in July than there are at the deadline.Filling in the spots of departing ufa's with ufa's & adding missing peices at the same time is an expensive & difficult task.Naslund is the 3rd highest scoring fwd on the team with the addition of a 2nd line centre or big winger Naslund at a reduced price is better option than alot of ufa's out there.
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King Ryan
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At the right price, I don't see any reason why the Canucks should not bring him back to be a second-liner. As long as you're not relying on him for much -- and I don't see why anyone would be at this point -- I think Naslund is still a useful player.
The mentality that he should be dumped because he's not the player he once was is a strange one to me. We can accept Linden at a much lesser role, why not Naslund? |
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Cannots Luvah
Mike Weaver jersey on order
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hey welcome aboard KIng Ryan!!! make yourself at home and have fun posting!
if you're wondering where the Game Day Threads are , we do road game threads in the road city's forum so for tonight's game the GDT is in the Phoenix forum.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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| King Ryan wrote: |
At the right price, I don't see any reason why the Canucks should not bring him back to be a second-liner. As long as you're not relying on him for much -- and I don't see why anyone would be at this point -- I think Naslund is still a useful player.
The mentality that he should be dumped because he's not the player he once was is a strange one to me. We can accept Linden at a much lesser role, why not Naslund? |
Oh, thaaaaat's what you meant when you said you might be joining me shortly... I thought you had a ticket booked for Ottawa and one of those John Malkovich non-metal guns in a briefcase.
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