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Av-merican
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 Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: Oilers beat Avs |
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Four. Losses. In. A. Row.
We don't deserve to make the playoffs. |
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Stinky
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Oilers beat Avs |
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| Av-merican wrote: |
Four. Losses. In. A. Row.
We don't deserve to make the playoffs. |
Fold the team and move them to Quebec.
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Bell Centre Ghost
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That was one crazy game. Every time I looked, somebody scored two goals.
The Avs look like their old potent selves offensively... not sure about the defense tho. And no - you can't have Price.
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saskhab
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Here's what I've seen from the Avs that flabbergasts me:
1. No transition game whatsoever. This is true both offensively and defensively. They rely too much on play down low and don't even particularily seem to care about play in between the faceoff circles... as in, you know, including the entire neutral zone and some of each attacking zone. This is true on the PP as well... they might as well not have any point men.
2. A cause or effect of this? No support from the d-men in moving the puck up ice. It's unbelievable how much they isolate their forwards in this.
3. Hey, that down low play seems to work, although I can't figure out how they scored the exact same goal 3 times in 4 minutes in the 3rd.
Av, you complain about Granato and the special teams... I think there's more of a coaching lag here than just specialty teams. I don't know if Quennville has a clue anymore on how this game should be played. It's all about puck support and quick decision making on transition... establishing down low position is secondary as a result, not primary.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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3. Hey, that down low play seems to work, although I can't figure out how they scored the exact same goal 3 times in 4 minutes in the 3rd.
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These guys are hoping nobody figures it out either...
 
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| saskhab wrote: |
Here's what I've seen from the Avs that flabbergasts me:
1. No transition game whatsoever. This is true both offensively and defensively. They rely too much on play down low and don't even particularily seem to care about play in between the faceoff circles... as in, you know, including the entire neutral zone and some of each attacking zone. This is true on the PP as well... they might as well not have any point men.
2. A cause or effect of this? No support from the d-men in moving the puck up ice. It's unbelievable how much they isolate their forwards in this.
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I was wondering if this is because the Avs don't have an offensive defenceman that their forwards have confidence in running their PP. A team that can throw out Sakic, Hejduk, Stastny, Forsberg, Wolski, and Lord knows who else shouldn't have trouble scoring on the PP and yet they do...
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saskhab
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| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| saskhab wrote: |
Here's what I've seen from the Avs that flabbergasts me:
1. No transition game whatsoever. This is true both offensively and defensively. They rely too much on play down low and don't even particularily seem to care about play in between the faceoff circles... as in, you know, including the entire neutral zone and some of each attacking zone. This is true on the PP as well... they might as well not have any point men.
2. A cause or effect of this? No support from the d-men in moving the puck up ice. It's unbelievable how much they isolate their forwards in this.
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I was wondering if this is because the Avs don't have an offensive defenceman that their forwards have confidence in running their PP. A team that can throw out Sakic, Hejduk, Stastny, Forsberg, Wolski, and Lord knows who else shouldn't have trouble scoring on the PP and yet they do... |
Somewhat, but it is the case in so many aspects of the game other than the PP that I think it's a tactical error/coaching mistake more than a personnel weakness.
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the New Cunning Linguist
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| saskhab wrote: |
| the New Cunning Linguist wrote: |
| saskhab wrote: |
Here's what I've seen from the Avs that flabbergasts me:
1. No transition game whatsoever. This is true both offensively and defensively. They rely too much on play down low and don't even particularily seem to care about play in between the faceoff circles... as in, you know, including the entire neutral zone and some of each attacking zone. This is true on the PP as well... they might as well not have any point men.
2. A cause or effect of this? No support from the d-men in moving the puck up ice. It's unbelievable how much they isolate their forwards in this.
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I was wondering if this is because the Avs don't have an offensive defenceman that their forwards have confidence in running their PP. A team that can throw out Sakic, Hejduk, Stastny, Forsberg, Wolski, and Lord knows who else shouldn't have trouble scoring on the PP and yet they do... |
Somewhat, but it is the case in so many aspects of the game other than the PP that I think it's a tactical error/coaching mistake more than a personnel weakness. |
I saw this problem with Detroit against Vancouver when they had all those injuries on their defencemen... Their young, inexperienced d had all sorts of problems getting the puck past the first wave of forechecking, and subsequently, they couldn't mount much of an offence. Despite the having copious amounts of talent on offence, you still need good puck-moving defencemen to support the attack.
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saskhab
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I guess I view it in Colorado as the management will bend over backwards to get the type of player the coach wants. They went out and got Salei and Foote at the deadline, they got Hannan as a UFA this last summer... they're the kinds of d-men the coach WANTS for his system.
If he wanted a puckmoving d-man, Giguere would've found one for him. I don't think Quennville views it as essential, and in that sense, he's horribly misinformed about how the game needs to be played.
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Bosc Ulrich II
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I guess I view it in Colorado as the management will bend over backwards to get the type of player the coach wants. They went out and got Salei and Foote at the deadline, they got Hannan as a UFA this last summer... they're the kinds of d-men the coach WANTS for his system.
If he wanted a puckmoving d-man, Giguere would've found one for him. I don't think Quennville views it as essential, and in that sense, he's horribly misinformed about how the game needs to be played. |
They're supposed to have two of them in Leipold and Liles...
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Av-merican
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Well, we did have a good transition game at one time when we had all the d-men jumping into the play, we had the highest-scoring defense in the league for two years and a good power play, mainly due to the fact that J-M Liles moved the puck so amazingly well. Well, he proved even on his good days (and there weren't many of them this year) he's just not a #1 go-to guy, he needs someone above him on the depth chart.
And yes, management always gets the guys the coaches want here in Colorado. And gets rid of ones the coaches don't like. That's why guys like Drury and Nieminen were sent packing and guys like Kasparaitis came in.
Very frustrating time right now. I think I'm about done with Quenneville. I still stand by my earlier statement that the Avs should fire the entire staff (Cloutier too) if we miss the postseason again. I don't care how many injuries are plaguing us, there is no excuse for the Avs to be playing like this. |
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