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saskhab
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: Gainey shakes things up

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=345496 Goodbye Mikhail. Welcome back, Maxim. Hello, Ryan. Gotta try something. I guess if Carbo doesn't trust Grabovski there's no harm in sending him down to get some game action. Lapierre is a much needed option. O'Byrne is an interesting option at this point... I'm assuming his promotion is a bit more temporary. _________________ "Oh my God. There she is. Lovely Sally Slater. I should speak to her. But what the hell can I say? Anything that doesn't mention that I masturbate over her memory is probably a good idea." - Mark Corrigan, Peep Show

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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Gainey shakes things up

saskhab wrote:

http://canadiens.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=345496

Goodbye Mikhail.

Welcome back, Maxim.

Hello, Ryan.

Gotta try something. I guess if Carbo doesn't trust Grabovski there's no harm in sending him down to get some game action. Lapierre is a much needed option. O'Byrne is an interesting option at this point... I'm assuming his promotion is a bit more temporary.

Good. Grabovski was a waste of space - nothing against the kid, but he's not ready for the NHL and brought nothing to what the team needed i.e. offense or spark.

O'Byrne... I know his potential and like his size. It'll be interesting, but I agree with you sask - it's a short-term deal to shake up an underperforming D.
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saskhab
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject:

I thought Grabovski didn't get a fair shake in a consistent enough role to prove or disprove himself. Then again, it's not the end of the world that he's in the minors. Lappy is an interesting option for a variety of roles, namely line 3 on wing and 4 at centre, but also the "not Ryder" guy for Higgins and Koivu. _________________ "Oh my God. There she is. Lovely Sally Slater. I should speak to her. But what the hell can I say? Anything that doesn't mention that I masturbate over her memory is probably a good idea." - Mark Corrigan, Peep Show

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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject:

saskhab wrote:

I thought Grabovski didn't get a fair shake in a consistent enough role to prove or disprove himself. Then again, it's not the end of the world that he's in the minors.

Lappy is an interesting option for a variety of roles, namely line 3 on wing and 4 at centre, but also the "not Ryder" guy for Higgins and Koivu.

Lol. When I went to see Lafleur's last game at the Forum, I sat beside a guy from the Maritimes who was a huge McPhee fan and explained how important he was to the Maritimes (he was from NB). Since then, I've had a soft spot with Maritime players.... but that only goes so far Smile

Grab, imo, has tools and some of them are impressive (speed and puck control), but he can't translate that to the NHL game. So I'm not sad that he's being set down in exchange for Lapierre, who may not have much of an off-ice work ethic but he brings a spark on the ice. If his last name was more Anglo - I'd expect we trade him to Toronto Laughing

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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject:

[quote="Bell Centre GhostLol. When I went to see Lafleur's last game at the Forum, I sat beside a guy from the Maritimes who was a huge McPhee fan and explained how important he was to the Maritimes (he was from NB). Since then, I've had a soft spot with Maritime players.... but that only goes so far :[/quote] The Maritime Provinces are Nova Scotia, NewBrunswick and PEI with part of the gaspe included depending on who you talk to. Newfoundland is part of Atlantic Canada. _________________ The crowd once again showed its IQ level when it shouted ``U-S-A, U-S-A,'' during the fight. Their hero, Downie, is from Newmarket, Ont.

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:05 am Post subject:

Stinky wrote:

[quote="Bell Centre GhostLol. When I went to see Lafleur's last game at the Forum, I sat beside a guy from the Maritimes who was a huge McPhee fan and explained how important he was to the Maritimes (he was from NB). Since then, I've had a soft spot with Maritime players.... but that only goes so far Smile

The Maritime Provinces are Nova Scotia, NewBrunswick and PEI with part of the gaspe included depending on who you talk to. Newfoundland is part of Atlantic Canada.[/quote]

Yeah, I know. Except that would make "Atlantic Canada" Newfoundland.... as well as the Acadians and Cape Bretons. I just take that to mean that some people don't want to be associated with some other people. Luckily, I'm an Upper Canadian and therefore have the God-given right to lump all y'all.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:20 am Post subject:

Sam, when I see you again, you better be wearing a cup as I plan on kicking you in the nuts. _________________ The crowd once again showed its IQ level when it shouted ``U-S-A, U-S-A,'' during the fight. Their hero, Downie, is from Newmarket, Ont.

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:12 am Post subject:

Stinky's a Newfie then?

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject:

_________________ The fans represent the soul of the organization. This is their team. Us, we simply try to make it better. They tell us when things are going good, and when they are less so. We don't always give them the impression that we are listening, but we are.

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject:

Av-merican wrote:

Stinky's a Newfie then?

No. And you will be the next kicked in the nuts for such a slur.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject:

Thank you, Ryan O'Byrne. _________________ "Oh my God. There she is. Lovely Sally Slater. I should speak to her. But what the hell can I say? Anything that doesn't mention that I masturbate over her memory is probably a good idea." - Mark Corrigan, Peep Show

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject:

Whats all of your thoughts on Ryder ? Im reading he's in the doghouse , probably for good. I know the fans like Saskhab are sick of him. Does he have "game" or is he a whiteman's Anson Carter to Koivu. Is he a lost cause on the downslide or does he just need a new start? Obviously Vancouver would be interested in any 25-30 goal scorer in their 20s. One man's trash is another man's treasure as they say.

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

Cannots Luvah wrote:

Whats all of your thoughts on Ryder ? Im reading he's in the doghouse , probably for good. I know the fans like Saskhab are sick of him. Does he have "game" or is he a whiteman's Anson Carter to Koivu. Is he a lost cause on the downslide or does he just need a new start?

Obviously Vancouver would be interested in any 25-30 goal scorer in their 20s. One man's trash is another man's treasure as they say.

Hell, you took what's his name last year right?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject:

That'd be Yan Boolish I believe you're talking about...I don't think Ryder's worth the gamble unless you're thinking also of getting Ribeiro from Dallas and Dagenais from, from...from wherever the hell Dagenais is these days.

saskhab
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject:

Av-merican wrote:

That'd be Yan Boolish I believe you're talking about...I don't think Ryder's worth the gamble unless you're thinking also of getting Ribeiro from Dallas and Dagenais from, from...from wherever the hell Dagenais is these days.

Ryder scored 30 last year without Ribs.

Unless Ryder becomes a distraction and negatively impacts the team I don't think they'll move him this year. Could be wrong, but the potential of him getting hot might be enough to keep him until season's end. Then he'll be let go of as a UFA.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

saskhab wrote:

Av-merican wrote:

I hope you're wrong sask. I'm with the contingent that thinks the league has figured him out and he's no longer able to compensate on Montreal. His shot is wicked, but I think he's losing the desire to work within Montreal's system and has become a Dagenais. Not in the sense that he's really a floater, but he looks that way on this team.

I was hoping for a Huet/Ryder package trade, but that's looking unlikely right now.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:54 am Post subject:

Ryder isn't Dagenais, he's Chuck Knoblauch. The guy completely lost his instinct for shooting. He clams up whenever he gets the puck and can't rifle it quickly anymore. He still works fairly hard, but he simply doesn't instinctively get into open passing lanes anymore. He's often meandering along the boards, or coming on a bad angle. Also, if he isn't scoring there really is no reason to keep him in the lineup. _________________ John McCain is fit as a fiddle… Is 71 the new 30?” - Fox News' Rich Lowry

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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:

Throw Some E's wrote:

Ryder isn't Dagenais, he's Chuck Knoblauch. The guy completely lost his instinct for shooting. He clams up whenever he gets the puck and can't rifle it quickly anymore. He still works fairly hard, but he simply doesn't instinctively get into open passing lanes anymore. He's often meandering along the boards, or coming on a bad angle.

Also, if he isn't scoring there really is no reason to keep him in the lineup.

That's a much better comparison El. Early success and later failure due to a change in the approach. W.r.t. my analysis of Ryder - do you remember if the pitchers found a hole in Knoblauch's strike zone, or did he alter his mechanics?
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:31 am Post subject:

Actually I was referring to Knoblauch's inability to make the throw from second to first a couple of years after joining the Yanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch

Wikipedia wrote:

Once considered one of the game's best fielders (in fact, ESPN personalities nicknamed him "Fundamentally Sound" Chuck Knoblauch), Knoblauch's play deteriorated shortly into his Yankee career. In 1999 he began to have difficulty making accurate throws to first base, a condition sometimes referred to in baseball as "the yips" or "Steve Blass Disease". Knoblauch inexplicably could no longer throw the ball to first base. By 2000, the problem had grown serious enough that he began seeing more playing time as a designated hitter. Knoblauch tried various solutions to his problem, but his throwing would not improve. He made an unprecedented number of throwing errors, routinely sailing the ball twenty or thirty feet over the first baseman's head. During one game, an errant throw sailed into the crowd and hit sportscaster Keith Olbermann's mother in the face. [1]. Stumping commentators, fans, and himself, Knoblauch never fully recovered his throwing accuracy. He was reassigned to left field by manager Joe Torre, never to return to his old position.

Basically Chucky developed some sort of mental blockage that prevented him from doing his job properly. I think Ryder since late last season has been fighting his own inconsistencies. He gets so down during a cold spell that he overthinks on offence and the rest of his game suffers.

Physically he seems fine, and he's not dogging it on the ice, he just looks distracted.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:44 am Post subject:

What was crazy about Knoblauch was apparently in practice and taking grounders, he was making perfect throws every time. Game time? The Wiki entry says it all. Rick Ankiel seemed to have had the same thing with pitching. _________________ Bring back the old OTP!

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