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harmfuljays
King of Men
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Djibouti
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 Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: Has the Cap killed the fun? |
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well so much for parity.......now trades are made soley based on cap space...take the recent trade of Weight for Mcdonald as an example.
No way this is an even trade based on skill. Is it great for the cap in Anaheim? Sure
Really deflates the enjoyment I used to get for one up trades.
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Hounsy
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I like trades more than parity.
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Jyrki21
Rebel Sell + Moneyball = Life
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Location: Ottawa, ON
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I don't like the cap, but I dislike free agency more.
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harmfuljays
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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me too.....I don't like trades made for financial reasons.......that just isn't very fun.......I don't have a business degree to follow this shit.
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Lillith
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Trades are made for two reasons MONEY and SKILL OF THE PLAYER NEEDED FOR THE TEAM. Unfortunately these are hopelessly entwined - even more so by the CAP in place. It was not long ago that Detroit could and did purchase anyone needed to "pad the team" for a cup run. Those that criticized Detroit for "buying" a cup contending team were not wrong.
Even me, a DIE-HARD Redwings fan, knew that there was a huge parity issue here. I personally do not disagree with the CAP. It means that my team will have to work that much harder to reach their goal.
I do not EVER want to hear that Detroit "bought" a Stanley Cup.
So there. Until I learn differently, I am in favor of the CAP.
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razzmatazz
Go Habs Go! Vive le CH!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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It would be hard to argue that the Wings bought the Cup; they have had success finding core players in the later rounds of the draft.
That said, it was unfair that they were able to spend a ton of money while smaller market and the Canadian teams couldn't. That was an unfair advantage they had, and it did contribute to their Cup wins, there is simply no way to avoid that reality... |
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Lillith
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Razz, I totally agree with you.
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Bell Centre Ghost
Haunting the Bell Centre since 2005
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Location: Guelph
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: |
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Parity doesn't exist in the real world, so why should it exist in sports? I paid attention to sports because it was fun - an increased focus on contracts only detracts from that goal. The NHl's "balance" between FA and a cap has made a stagnant league. Choose one Bettman. Not that you would.
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E.L.3000
Big in Japan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:50 am Post subject: |
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It's not the cap that's the problem - it's the hopeless have-not teams who simply can't compete in any marketplace. What happens is many teams are so close to the cap thanks to a few teams that really couldn't operate in a 30M payroll league, who drag down the number and muck it up for the rest of us.
If you can't make it today, in this marketplace, and you don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, it's over for you. You've had three years under the new CBA to develop a working model, so now it's time to dispose of the weak.
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Lillith
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Throw Some E's wrote: |
It's not the cap that's the problem - it's the hopeless have-not teams who simply can't compete in any marketplace. What happens is many teams are so close to the cap thanks to a few teams that really couldn't operate in a 30M payroll league, who drag down the number and muck it up for the rest of us.
If you can't make it today, in this marketplace, and you don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, it's over for you. You've had three years under the new CBA to develop a working model, so now it's time to dispose of the weak. |
Dear, E. I'm not sure what you are saying - but that has never stopped me from responding 
I don't agree with your statement of "hopeless have-not teams who simply can't compete in any(my italics) marketplace". The Minnesota North Stars were a nowhere team until they moved to Dallas. The Winnepeg Jets (God Bless 'em) had the misfortune to go to Arizona..Geesh..Arizona, for Chrise Sakes!
No team is "hopeless" and no team is truely "have not" in this era. The markets for these teams may suck big time - but a change of venue can change that, possibly. If the market sucks - move the fuckin' team. Change owners - whatever..
If you are suggesting a shake-up, I agree with you. If you are suggesting disbanding teams - I totally disagree. As I see it, a Team is based on many factors. Market, Ownership, General Manager, Coaching, and Players. Because of these many factors, I will never say a Team is "hopeless".
Well there you go. That's my response. Pretty good, considering I didn't understand a word of what you said.
Ever the Idiot
Lil
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hipcheck
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Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't really consider Anaheim a hot-bed market for hockey, but that didn't stop them from winning the Cup, and continuing to be a force
Likewise, when you speak of poor markets, how can you overlook Detroit
Once called "hockeytown", their attendance is down dramatically (due in no small part to losing some 300,000 jobs in the down economy)
that's on a team sporting the best record in hockey and 3 of the game's top players
Even without a cap, I doubt the Wings could afford to spend the way they did at the turn of this century...so the cap is in effect not hurting them at all.
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hipcheck
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Oh to answer Jay's original post....
that trade is exactly what produces parity...
a seeming juggernaut is forced to trade an essential part because they have to decide what essential parts are MOST essential
Yup, it's a salary dump, but it happens in every sport, cap or not
More so when there's a cap forcing your hand 
If you're a team with the cap space, and the creativity to swing the trade, then you win ( or end up overpaying for a journeyman, but whatever )
In any event, it brings the teams like the Ducks back down to the pack a bit
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DH
Lloyd's Minster
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Alberta
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:48 am Post subject: |
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If the market sucks - move the fuckin' team. Change owners - whatever..
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My condolences to the "fuckin' team". You know Lil, you could've said something more sensitive like sometime market conditions are such that a change of scenery will benefit the franchise. |
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Lillith
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Laughed until I choked..Thanks DH and touche!
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